UFO whistleblower claims giant alien base 'size of city blocks' is hidden underwater

Ex-intelligence official David Grusch claims the US government is hiding a massive city-block-sized alien underwater base and high-definition video of frozen ET corpses

BY Liam Randall - News Reporter

An air force veteran turned whistleblower has dropped a mind-blowing claim that the US government is hiding a massive alien base at the bottom of the ocean. Ex-intelligence official David Grusch, who blew the lid on secret Pentagon UFO programmes in 2023, says military bosses are aware of a massive extraterrestrial hub concealed deep under the sea.

Appearing on The Joe Rogan Experience podcast, Grusch claimed top brass know about at least one gigantic underwater site used as a launchpad for alien craft.

Warning that he had to tread carefully around "sensitive Navy underwater things," he said: "There's clearly some sort of base of operations in certain locations. It's large. Don't know when it got there... Like multiple city blocks type stuff."

He added that "stuff comes and goes" from the gargantuan submerged hub, claiming his information stems from top-secret files, classified footage and insider confessions.

While refusing to leak precise coordinates or tracking methods due to national security, Grusch claimed US naval contacts likened the secret underwater structure to James Cameron's sci-fi movie The Abyss.

He said: "I will tell you, underwater people, I know that come from that community, they're always like, 'You know, the Abyss, Dave, it's kind of a docudrama.' And I'm like, 'Holy f***.'"

Grusch, who spent 14 years in the Air Force before joining the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) and the Pentagon's UFO Task Force, previously testified under oath to Congress about multi-decade UFO recovery programmes.

His wild claims back up previous bombshell comments from US Congressman Tim Burchett, who said mysterious alien craft were routinely spotted zipping through deep ocean trenches around the Bahamas at terrifying speeds.

Burchett told journalist Matt Laslo: "We have naval personnel telling me we have these sightings, these underwater craft they're chasing that go hundreds of miles an hour, and the best we got is something that does maybe a little under forty miles an hour."

During the same podcast episode, Grusch dropped another bombshell, claiming he was shown crisp, high-definition footage of dead extraterrestrial corpses recovered from a crash site.

Describing the beings as "very beautiful" with pale, bluish-white skin, he claimed the bodies are currently being kept on ice in a frozen military facility.

When Rogan asked if the shocking footage would ever be released to the public, Grusch said: "Probably. There's a lot of audio-visual stuff.

"The problem with the current climate is you're going to have to wheel out the physical evidence, too, because the trust in government is so low right now."

The White House and Pentagon have consistently denied possessing physical evidence of extraterrestrial life or alien craft.

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Scientists uncover hidden force deep inside Earth that is changing the length of our days

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By STACY LIBERATORE, US SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY EDITOR

Scientists have identified a hidden force deep inside Earth that has been changing the length of our days for decades. 

A new study suggests that a gravitational tug between the planet’s solid inner core and its rocky mantle can alter Earth’s rotational speed, making days longer or shorter by a few milliseconds. 

The changes are too small for people to feel, but they matter for GPS navigation and global timekeeping, which depend on precise measurements of Earth’s rotation. 

Researchers at the University of Alberta analyzed records spanning 1964 to 2019 to investigate what drives these tiny changes. 

Earth's inner core, a hot, dense ball made mostly of iron and nickel, is not perfectly spherical. 

As it rotates, its gravitational pull interacts with uneven concentrations of mass in the mantle. 

That interaction creates a twisting force, known as ‘gravitational torque,’ that can slightly speed up or slow down the mantle, changing how long Earth takes to complete a rotation. 

The researchers linked this gravitational tug to changes in Earth’s rotation that unfold over a roughly 70-year cycle. 

Scientists have identified a hidden force deep inside Earth that has been changing the length of our days for decades

The findings also suggest that Earth's solid inner core can slowly change shape over a period of years. Its material remains solid as it slowly yields to the forces around it.

That flexibility proved important when the researchers tested their calculations. 

A rigid inner core produced changes with the wrong timing, while allowing it to deform brought the predictions into closer agreement with the observed shifts in day length.

Their best estimates suggest this adjustment happens over roughly eight to 10 years, although the wider range of possible timescales stretched from about two to 31 years.

The study, published in Nature on September 23, was conducted by University of Alberta physicists Huifeng Zhang and Mathieu Dumberry.

They combined earlier research that used earthquake waves to track the inner core's rotation with models of movement in the liquid outer core, reconstructed from changes in Earth's magnetic field.

To isolate the effects of the planet's interior, the team removed contributions from atmospheric winds, ocean movements and longer-term processes, including the moon's gradual braking effect on Earth's rotation.

They then compared predictions from three competing mechanisms against the remaining changes in day length.

A new study suggests that a gravitational tug between the planet’s solid inner core and its rocky mantle can alter Earth’s rotational speed, making days longer or shorter by a few milliseconds

Magnetic forces and pressure against uneven surfaces at the boundary between the core and mantle produced patterns broadly opposite to those recorded. 

The gravitational mechanism provided a much closer match.

The best results came when gravity acted as the main driver and the other forces pushed back, leaving a small imbalance that changed the planet's rotation.

The calculations also offered clues about material hidden near the bottom of the mantle.

They are consistent with an electrically conducting, iron-rich layer about 1.2 miles thick, although the researchers did not directly discover or sample such a layer.

Their findings also support the presence of large accumulations of chemically distinct, warmer material. 

The material's composition would make it denser, but its higher temperature counteracts that effect, leaving it close to the density of its surroundings.

The shifts amount to a few thousandths of a second, too small for people to feel but important for GPS navigation and global timekeeping 

The results additionally favor a form of mantle mineral that deforms relatively easily, helping explain how conditions deep inside Earth influence the gravitational interaction.

However, the researchers cautioned that the roughly 70-year pattern should not yet be treated as a reliably repeating cycle.

'Whether this flow structure is periodic and repeats over time, or whether it only reflects the dynamics over the past seven decades, is unknown,' the authors wrote.

Their conclusions also depend on the accuracy of existing models of the inner core's rotation and liquid core flows. 

Some numerical estimates changed by up to 30 percent when different flow models were used.

The study does not fully explain shorter fluctuations in day length unfolding over 10 to 30 years. 

Those changes may be driven more strongly by forces acting at the boundary between the core and mantle.

The authors said better models are needed to resolve these remaining uncertainties. 

Their findings nevertheless show how tiny variations measured at Earth's surface can reveal information about the movement, composition and physical behavior of regions deep beneath our feet.

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By CHRIS MELORE, US DEPUTY SCIENCE EDITOR

An Air Force veteran turned government whistleblower has shared startling new claims about an alleged UFO base hidden at the bottom of the ocean. 

David Grusch, a former intelligence officer who now assists lawmakers with UFO transparency, testified under oath in 2023 that the US government possesses multi-decade secret programs recovering and reverse-engineering crashed non-human spacecraft.

He recently made more claims about the government's knowledge of extraterrestrials, telling Joe Rogan that officials are aware of at least one giant underwater facility used by extraterrestrials as a 'base of operations' for their craft. 

'I'm going to be careful because it gets into sensitive Navy underwater things,' Grusch said. 

'There's clearly some sort of base of operations in certain locations. It's large. Don't know when it got there... Like multiple city blocks type stuff.'

He added that 'stuff comes and goes' from the base. 

Grusch also claimed that his information came from files on top-secret programs, videos and confessions from government and military insiders.

However, the US military and the White House have maintained for decades that no physical evidence has been found that proves UFOs and alien life exist.

Former Air Force Major David Grusch, a UFO whistleblower, was interviewed by podcast host Joe Rogan on September 30 

Grusch did not reveal how the military discovered the base or its location, only saying that the tracking methods were sensitive to national security, but added that he was sure the US had been studying what was taking place at the facility.

He then told Rogan that US naval officials had described the secret facility as the inspiration for the 1989 film The Abyss, in which an oil rig crew encounters non-human beings living in a vast underwater structure.

'I will tell you, underwater people, I know that come from that community, they're always like, "You know, the Abyss, Dave, it's kind of a docudrama." And I'm like, "Holy f***,"' he said during the September 30 episode.

Grusch spent 14 years in the Air Force before working as an intelligence officer for the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), which builds and launches surveillance satellites for the Pentagon. 

From 2019 to 2021, he represented NRO on the task force investigating UFOs, but eventually became a whistleblower after allegedly learning that elements of the US government had prevented Congressional oversight on matters related to extraterrestrials. 

He then brought his claims to Congress, testifying to what he claimed the US government knew about non-human intelligence.

Grusch's bombshell claims on Rogan's podcast echoed similar allegations made by Tennessee congressman Tim Burchett, a member of the House Oversight Committee overseeing UFO reports, who said last year that alien 'entities' were currently living in deep-water areas on Earth.

Burchett said in a widely shared interview that there have been frequent sightings of unidentified craft around five or six specific deep-sea areas. These sites were believed to be in the Atlantic Ocean near the Bahamas.

Grusch told Rogan that the US government is aware of at least one underwater UFO base where 'stuff comes and goes.' Above is a screenshot of a video, which UFO insiders claims captures a UFO hovering over the Pacific Ocean

Burchett said in an interview with journalist Matt Laslo: 'We have naval personnel telling me we have these sightings, these underwater craft they're chasing that go hundreds of miles an hour, and the best we got is something that does maybe a little under forty miles an hour.'

Grusch also told Rogan that he was shown video of dead bodies recovered from the crash site of an alleged alien spacecraft. This top-secret footage was said to be 'contemporary' and not grainy, unreliable recordings from the 1950s.

He alleged that the beings he saw were 'very beautiful' with pale, bluish-white skin, which were now being kept in a frozen storage facility for further examination.

Rogan asked: 'This video, do you think this will be a part of disclosure, that we'll get to see this video of these dead bodies?'

'Probably. There's a lot of audio-visual stuff. The problem with the current climate like you're going to have to wheel out the physical evidence, too, because the trust in government is so low right now,' Grusch claimed.

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A UFO whistleblower has claimed that 'at least a dozen' craft have crashed during apparent battles between gray and reptilian aliens, leaving Joe Rogan stunned.

David Grusch, a former intelligence officer who now assists lawmakers with UFO transparency, made the extraordinary claim during a recent appearance on The Joe Rogan Experience.

Grusch testified under oath in 2023 that the US government has secretly operated programs to recover and reverse-engineer non-human spacecraft for decades.

Asked about a possible war between non-human intelligence (NHI) in Earth's skies, he said: 'We've documented that... what we perceive as warfare. It looks like conflict. It smells like conflict.'

Grusch said he had been briefed on the recovery of dead reptilian and grey alien bodies at crash sites. 'So the grays and reptilians were duking it out,' Rogan said.

'I guess,' Grusch replied, raising his arms. A wide-eyed Rogan responded: 'Whoa. It sounds f****** crazy, David.'

Grusch repeatedly explained that he has never seen the UFO crashes or alien bodies and was only conveying that his information came from files on top-secret programs, videos and confessions from government and military insiders.

However, the US military and the White House have maintained for decades that no physical evidence has been found that proves UFOs and alien life exist. 

A UFO whistleblower has claimed that 'at least a dozen' craft have crashed during apparent battles between grey and reptilian aliens (above, artist impression), leaving Joe Rogan stunned 

Grusch told Rogan he knew of 'at least a dozen or two' crashes linked to apparent conflicts between non-human beings.

Rogan then asked what type of craft had reportedly been found alongside a dead reptilian body. Grusch said it was a Tic Tac.

That description recalls the 2004 encounter off Southern California in which Commander David Fravor said he and his team saw a smooth, white object shaped like a Tic Tac breath mint. 

Measuring roughly 40 to 45 feet long, it reportedly had no visible wings, tail, control surfaces or exhaust.

The discussion then turned to the alleged appearance of the reptilian beings, with Grusch relaying a description he attributed to a friend.

'Seven-foot-plus, sort of gorilla-looking skin,' he said. 'But there are multiple types. There's ones that are more humanoid-looking.'

Grusch also discussed reports of grays of different sizes, including taller beings and 'little tiny ones.'

When Rogan suggested the smaller figures might be androids, Grusch said that hypothesis had also been discussed within the program.

The reptilian theory, claiming shape-shifting reptilian aliens secretly control Earth, surged in popularity through conspiracy theorist David Icke in the late 20th century (Stock Image)

Grusch emphasized that he had never seen the alleged reptilian beings in person, saying he was relying on other people's experiences and audiovisual material.

Asked how he had viewed the footage, he declined to explain the arrangements, describing them as 'kind of sketchy' and saying they were intended to 'keep everybody safe.'

He also said he was withholding details to protect people who had supplied information, claiming some had been physically threatened.

Grays and reptilians have been claimed to be two of the four alien types that were discussed in a 2025 hearing on Capitol Hill. 

In a briefing, physicist Dr Eric Davis, known for his work on top-secret Pentagon projects, stunned listeners by referencing alleged alien species, 'Grays, Nordics, Insectoids, and Reptilians,' as potential operators of unidentified craft.

Former Air Force Major David Grusch, a UFO whistleblower, was interviewed by podcast host Joe Rogan on September 30 

An alleged alien race known as the Nordics is said to have human-like features (Stock Image)

Davis described these entities as humanoid, approximately human-sized, and possibly linked to classified reverse-engineering programs.

Missouri Representative Eric Burlison, a member of the House Oversight Committee and UAP caucus, prompted the discussion, revealing on The Endless Void with Kristin Fisher that he had heard these same four classifications in private briefings.

'I've heard those four classifications discussed in meetings in this office by others,' Burlison said.

'But what I wasn't expecting was for him to say it. I wasn't expecting Eric Davis, you know, a respected scientist, to say that.'

Burlison, a self-described skeptic, admitted uncertainty about Davis's sources, noting the physicist's comments may stem from firsthand knowledge or secondhand reports.

'If true, this would be a paradigm-shifting moment,' Burlison said. 'But if it is true, the government has no right to keep such a secret from the public it serves.'

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It's one of the biggest unanswered questions in astronomy: has life ever existed on Mars – and could it still be there today? 

We may finally find out in just two years, when the European Space Agency's (ESA) Rosalind Franklin rover makes the 140 million–mile journey to the Red Planet.

However, before the £1 billion rover can make that epic journey, scientists need to test that everything is working exactly as it should.

That is why I travelled out to the Tabernas Desert in Southeast Andalusia to see how ESA and Airbus are getting ready for what's tipped to be the most important mission in space exploration history.

With its barren landscape, soft clay soils, and incredibly dry conditions, Europe's only real desert is about as close to the rover's Martian landing site – Oxia Planum – as you can get without a trip in a rocket.

And as I watched a rover crunch its way across the dusty ground, I was almost convinced that we'd already touched down on the Martian surface.

Before the European Space Agency's Rosalind Franklin rover can travel to Mars, scientists have taken its replica, Charlie, out to Spain's Tabernas Desert for testing 

The Daily Mail's Wiliam Hunter (pictured) travelled out to Southeast Andalusia to see how ESA and Airbus are getting Rosalind Franklin ready for its big mission 

The Rosalind Franklin Rover represents over a decade of preparation and around $1.3 billion (£980 million) in investment.

Built by Airbus in Stevenage, the rover combines cutting–edge tools built by researchers from all over Europe and ground–breaking autonomous navigation systems.

Originally planned to launch in the early 2020s, the project has been set back multiple times, first by Covid–19 and then by the Russian invasion of Ukraine, which required all the Russian components to be replaced.

As a result, there is a lot riding on the success of Europe's first Mars rover – and scientists cannot afford any mistakes.

It takes at least 20 minutes for a signal to travel from ESA's command centre to the rover on Mars, and if something goes wrong, there's no chance of repair or recovery.

That is why it is so crucial that scientists conduct what they call 'emulations', taking a replica rover out into a simulated Mars environment on Earth to see how it all works out.

So, while the real Rosalind Franklin sits safely in an ultra–clean room in Turin, Italy, scientists have made a near–exact copy, known as Charlie, to test here on Earth.

Charlie is functionally just like the real Mars rover in almost every way, except that it's made of cheaper parts that can be repaired and replaced as needed.

While the real Rosalind Franklin stays safe in a clean room, scientists have prepared an 'emulation' version called Charlie to test on Earth 

Charlie is functionally identical to the real Rosalind Franklin, except that it has been made with cheaper parts that can easily be repaired or replaced 

Rosalind Franklin: Europe's first Mars rover

Mission: ExoMars

Targeted launch date: 2028

Target landing site: Oxia Planum 

Aim: Search for signs of life

Estimated cost: $1.3bn (£0.98bn)

Weight: 310 kg

Size: 3.5m x 2m x 2 m

Key feature: Drill box capable of sampling 2m beneath the surface 

Scientific instruments:

* CLUPI: Close–UP Imager

* Enfys: Infrared Spectrometer for ExoMars

* Ma_MISS: Mars Multispectral Imager for Subsurface Studies

* MicrOmega: visible plus infrared imaging spectrometer

+ MOMA: Mars Organic Molecule Analyser

* PanCam: Panoramic Camera

* RLS: Raman Spectrometer

 * WISDOM: Water Ice and Subsurface Deposit Observation On Mar

Every day for the last three weeks, scientists have been carting Charlie out into the middle of the Tabernas Desert to put it through its paces.

With its deep valleys, wind–carved cliffs, and barren ground, this desert once served as the backdrop for countless Spaghetti Westerns, scenes in Indiana Jones, and even parts of Game of Thrones.

But as we bounce over a winding dirt road further and further from civilisation, it seems that those film studios missed a trick by not shooting a few science fiction films instead.

If you learn to ignore the odd power pylon in the background, and the small horde of journalists getting in the way, it's easy to forget you're actually on Earth and not on Mars' Oxia Planum.

Professor Susanne Schwenzer, a planetary mineralogist from the Open University and the field geologist for the ExoMars field tests in Spain, told the Daily Mail: 'We know quite a lot about Oxia Planum from orbital investigations and mapping, so we know it is a layered terrain where you have older layers on the bottom and younger layers on the top.

'We have a similar situation here if you look all around you, and so it is visually very, very similar to Mars.'

In fact, that strikingly alien quality is why it's worth lugging all this expensive equipment out into the blazing heat of the Tabernas Desert.

While it's important to check that all the equipment works as intended, these tests are really about giving the team a taste of what it will be like to drive a rover on Mars.

'You have three factors,' Professor Schwenzer explains.

'You have the science, that the scientists take care of; you have the engineering, which the engineers take care of, and you have the link between what the scientists want to do and what the machine can actually do.

'And they all need to work to get the best science return, and that's what we're doing here; testing and training people to actually use this to the best effect before we get to Mars.'

The Tabernas Desert is the perfect place to test a rover because it looks very similar to the Martian surface

It is extremely important that the test area actually looks like Mars, so that the scientists controlling the rover can practice navigating Martian terrain

Because of that, it matters that the landscape really does look like Mars, and the team go to great lengths to ensure it stays that way.

As Charlie gets ready to undertake the day's procedures, Professor Schwenzer follows along with a broom, sweeping away the footprints that would ruin the illusion for the control team peering out through the rover's cameras.

While a footprint might seem inconsequential, it provides the operators with an all–too–easy–to–use reference point that they would never have on Mars.

We've joined the team for a test of one of Charlie's critical instruments, the WISDOM ground–penetrating rover.

Dr Wolf–Stefan Benedix, an engineer from TU Dresden who co–developed WISDOM's antenna, says: 'It's a radar that is looking into the soil. We transmit some EM waves, and we receive some EM waves, and from that we see what is beneath the surface.'

In particular, WISDOM is tuned to look for layers in the Martian soil that might contain certain minerals created by water, or even layers of ice trapped beneath the ground.

That's absolutely critical, because the real Rosalind Franklin isn't just concerned with searching the Martian surface, but rather, what lies deep below.

Just like the Tabernas Desert, the part of Mars where the rover is scheduled to land, the Oxia Planum, is made up of layers upon layers of clay sediments.

Scientists know that these clays are an extremely good sign that water was once present.

In fact, research suggests that the entire area may have once been covered by an enormous ocean several miles deep, which dried up about four billion years ago.

To ensure the images that the crew see (pictured) are as close to the real thing as possible, scientists sweep the desert to remove any footprints or car tracks before testing 

Rosalind Franklin's key piece of equipment is the drill, which will be able to collect samples from two metres beneath the surface. That is deep enough to retrieve material undamaged by radiation

However, since Mars has such a thin atmosphere, intense radiation from the sun has long since destroyed any signs of life in the top half a metre or so of soil.

That is why the Rosalind Franklin has been equipped with a newly designed drill, capable of taking pristine soil samples from up to two metres below the surface.

Since Mars doesn't have tectonic activity or erosion from water, these deep soil layers might have been undisturbed for billions of years, preserving a record of a time when Mars was warm, wet, and potentially habitable.

Unlike previous rovers, Rosalind Franklin is also equipped with an onboard suite of analytic instruments that can test that soil for the chemical signs of life – known as biosignatures.

Everything else, from the WISDOM radar to the specialised geological cameras, is designed to ensure the rover finds the perfect place to drill, and has the best chance of finding signs of life.

That means, if there are signs of alien lifeforms hiding beneath the barren surface, Rosalind Franklin stands a good chance of finding them.

Dr Nicolas Oudart, an astrophysicist at the University of Versailles and part of the WISDOM team, explains that one key biomarker the rover is looking for is called 'chirality'.

Like your hands, molecules often come in one of two mirror arrangements – a left and right–handed version.

While you'd expect the left and right versions to be fairly equally abundant, Dr Oudart says 'life is known to favour one over the other'.

So, if the rover finds a lot more left–handed molecules than right–handed ones, or vice versa, it could be a good sign that biological processes have been at play.

Rosalind Franklin will also be equipped with a set of cameras developed by British scientists at Aberystwyth University 

The rover is equipped with a ground–penetrating radar to search for the perfect place to drill, and give scientists the best chance of finding signs of life

That would be just one piece of evidence that would form a wider picture in the search for signs of life, and scientists won't be eager to call the discovery too soon.

It will take a lot of tests, and a lot of potential biomarkers together to show that life really might have thrived on the Red Planet.

But, by doing practice tests like these out in the desert, the researchers are doing everything they can to give Rosalind Franklin the best chance possible.

And, if they do find signs of ancient life, it would change everything about the way we look at the universe.

Dr Oudert says: 'Right now, the only example of life we know is the one on Earth, so we don't actually know how likely it is for life to appear on a planet when you have the right conditions.

'If we find that there was life on Mars, it would mean that in the solar system you have two planets with the right conditions and on those two planets, you have life.

'That would mean that the Earth is not that unique, and it's more likely that we have many planets in the galaxy with life.

'So we don't know for sure what we will find, but if we find life, the implications are very interesting.'

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SpaceX reached another historic milestone on Monday after launching Starship, the world’s most powerful rocket, into orbit. But only minutes into the mission, something unexpected appeared in the live stream: an unidentified object that some viewers interpreted as a large UFO while others suggested that it was a gas emission from the rocket. 

In his latest video, UFO investigator Michael Salla has raised a far more provocative possibility. Given the rapidly expanding role of SpaceX and commercial launch systems in opening access to space, Salla has suggested that unexplained objects seen around these missions could potentially be connected to alleged secret space programs such as Solar Warden or a covert United Space Command. 

If such claims were ever substantiated, they could fundamentally change the way we understand and track unexplained objects operating beyond Earth. 

There is another, even more controversial question surrounding the phenomenon: how much information about UFOs, advanced aerospace technology, and secret space programs is actually being withheld from the public? 

Critics of government transparency argue that certain agencies or elements within government may continue to restrict the release of classified UFO files and information concerning advanced propulsion and aerospace technologies. 

Could it be possible that a highly classified international organization, perhaps even a “United Earth Space Command”, is operating quietly behind the scenes? If such a hidden organization were ever proven to exist, the question would no longer be simply what was captured on camera, but something far more profound: what else is operating in space that we have never been told about?

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EXCLUSIVE - Has Noah’s Ark finally been found? Researchers claim mysterious underground structure is man-made after dramatic new scans

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By CHRIS MELORE, US DEPUTY SCIENCE EDITOR

A team scanning a boat-shaped hill in eastern Turkey has announced that new radar images show a large man-made structure underground, not just natural rock. 

On Wednesday, private research group Noah’s Ark Scans released a preliminary report about their work at the Durupınar Formation in Turkey's Ağrı Province, claiming that the 515-foot boat-shaped mound contained a 'man-made object.'

The scans were conducted by Dr Khosrow Bakhtar, an engineer who spent decades building detection systems for US defense agencies, including the Air Force, Navy and NORAD.

He used a system he invented called BakhtarRadar, originally developed to find buried tunnels and hidden structures, to scan beneath the boat-shaped Durupınar mound and see whether it was solid natural rock or a man-made structure.

That process has now concluded that the object under the Durupınar mound is not a natural rock formation, but a large organized man-made object with corridors, chambers and hallways inside.

In a statement sent to the Daily Mail, Dr Bakhtar said: 'Whatever the object is beneath the surface is extraordinary.'

'In forty years of this work, I have never seen anything like it. It could be a ship. It could be a spaceship. What I can say from the radar is that it is organized, it is structural, and a solid geological mass would not have returned such a strong signature.'

According to the Bible, the massive vessel saved humanity and every kind of animal from annihilation during a catastrophic flood that some biblical chronologies place more than 4,300 years ago. 

The ship-shaped mound believed to be the rest place of Noah's Ark in Turkey

New scans of the Noah's Ark site revealed material that was determined to be something other than natural geological material such as rock 

Bakhtar said the new radar images do not look like ordinary rock, mudflow or a solid natural hill in Turkey.

Instead, they showed organized internal features, including repeating lines and angles, open passageways, corridors, chambers and hallway-like spaces running the length of the alleged vessel trapped underground.

Bakhtar told the Daily Mail in a statement that the radar is designed to hide ordinary natural features such as rock and highlight buried structures, open spaces and man-made materials.

Since those complex patterns still appeared strongly in the scans, the team concluded the object was not a natural geological formation, pointing to the belief that this is the site of the ship constructed to survive the biblical Great Flood being true.

'Natural ground does not organize itself into corridors, chambers and hallways,' Dr Bakhtar explained.

'The system was built to separate buried structure from host geology, tunnels, voids, worked materials, discontinuities. That is what it is seeing here. A solid geological mass would not have returned this signature.'

The first major radar survey in 2019 detected linear and angular anomalies the team interpreted as possible walls, passageways and separate compartments. 

Core drilling for samples of the structure began in late September 2026 under the direction of a Turkish university-led field program. 

The Durupınar Formation in Turkey, believed to be the resting place of Noah's Ark from the biblical Great Flood

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• Noah's Ark resting place '100% confirmed' as astonishing 'man-made' structure is detected 

The first holes drilled struck a very hard layer about 12 to 15 feet down inside the Durupınar Formation. Those samples are being sent to outside labs for further testing.

The team previously revealed to the Daily Mail that those drilling samples of rich in organic material were being tested to determine whether it contained decayed wood. 

The full radar scan is expected to be completed by November 2026, with more lab results coming later.

The next major step in this ongoing investigation will be testing for animal DNA inside the structure. 

In the Bible’s Book of Genesis, chapter 6, verses 19-20, the flood story says God told Noah to bring male and female pairs of each kind of animal onto the ark so they could survive.

Noah’s Ark Scans revealed that they are in talks with scientists who specialize in recovering and reconstructing ancient and extinct animal DNA from pieces of deteriorating material, such as old bones, teeth or other remains that have been buried for millennia.

An international team are '100 percent confident' that the formation is a 'man-made object'

New scans of the Noah's Ark site revealed material that was determined to be something other than natural geological material such as rock

Andrew Jones, Vice President of the Noah’s Ark Research Project and founder of Noah’s Ark Scans, said in Wednesday's announcement: 'We now know we are looking at a massive, 515-foot, boat-shaped man-made structure with organized patterns and corridors in the Mountains of Ararat, where Genesis places the Ark.'

'The challenge is how we prove this is the vessel that preserved living creation through a catastrophic flood. That proof will not come from another scan. It will come from identifying and confirming ancient animal DNA inside the voids Dr Bakhtar mapped inside the structure.' 

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Is AI secretly conscious? Scientist demands urgent tests - and warns switching it off could be unethical if it is

By XANTHA LEATHAM, EXECUTIVE SCIENCE EDITOR

What if the world's smartest chatbot really did wake up one day?

While it may sound like science fiction, a leading consciousness scientist says we urgently need to start thinking about the possibility.

We currently have no reliable test to determine whether an AI system is conscious, Megan Peters, a lecturer in Computational Cognition at University College London, said.

And if it does one day become aware of its own thoughts, humans face a significant moral dilemma – whether to turn it off.

Professor Peters argues that the biggest problem is not that scientists have found evidence of conscious AI, but that they currently have no agreed way to look for it.

The topic will form the basis of a talk she will be giving at New Scientist Live this month (10-12 Oct).

‘We need to have something better than vibes,’ she told the Daily Mail.

‘You can't just go look for signs or indicators or markers of consciousness in an artificial system because we don't know what they are.’

We currently have no reliable test to determine whether an AI system is conscious, Megan Peters, a lecturer in Computational Cognition at University College London, said

The difficulty is that consciousness remains one of science's greatest mysteries, even in humans, Professor Peters said.

Researchers can ask a person whether they are conscious and receive a meaningful answer, but AI systems are different.

‘If we ask AI systems, we can't really trust the answer in the same way,’ she explained.

The issue has become increasingly urgent as chatbots grow more sophisticated and AI companies invest heavily in research into so-called AI welfare.

‘A huge amount of money is being spent on thinking about AI welfare in some of the biggest AI companies,’ Professor Peters said.

She warned that people often mistake the fluency of modern chatbots for genuine awareness, adding: ‘It's very easy to speak with these agents and to kind of get a feeling that someone's in there.’

That perception is already shaping real-world debates around AI rights, responsibility and autonomy, despite a lack of evidence that today's systems possess any subjective experience.

While Professor Peters said she does not believe current AI models are conscious, she said it does not mean the question can be ignored.

‘If AI is conscious and we treat it as not conscious, then there is a potential for morally significant harms,’ she said.

One future concern is whether deleting, retraining or switching off a conscious AI could be equivalent to causing harm to a sentient being.

‘Just going around switching things off that are sentient… if that is akin to killing them, then that doesn't seem great,’ Professor Peters said.

‘We want to not be torturing creatures that have conscious awareness.’

The expert warned that the risks run in both directions.

A genuinely conscious AI could potentially be harmed if humans treated it as nothing more than a machine.

But wrongly assuming a chatbot is sentient could also distort public policy, influence regulation and encourage people to place excessive trust in systems that merely mimic human conversation.

‘If we get it wrong the other way around, there's also very real consequences,’ she said.

To tackle the problem, her team is developing a framework that would compare dozens, or even hundreds, of potential consciousness tests, identifying which might work not only in humans but also in animals and artificial systems.

Rather than jumping straight from people to machines, Professor Peters believes scientists should gradually test their ideas across species with different brains and behaviours before applying them to AI.

For now, she urges caution whenever bold claims emerge that a chatbot has become self-aware.

‘Just because you see someone claiming that they have or have not detected artificial consciousness, you need to go and ask why,’ she said.

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NASA Claimed They Had Zero UAP Records. A 3,668-Page FOIA Release Tells a More Complex Story

When navigating the federal bureaucracy for transparency on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), researchers frequently encounter conflicting administrative positions. A prominent example emerged in documents secured through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). In NASA FOIA case 26-00029-F-HQ, NASA official Dr. Daniel Evans - who served as the Designated Federal Officer for the NASA UAP Independent Study Team (IST) - formally stated in email correspondence that “NASA currently does not hold or manage records classified specifically as UAP documents.”

Source: NASA FOIA 26-00029-F-HQ

This statement aligned with NASA’s broader public messaging regarding its approach to UAP. During a 14 September 2023 media briefing announcing the IST's final report and recommendations, NASA Administrator Bill Nelson and Dr. Evans repeatedly emphasised the agency’s commitment to openness, transparency, and the rigorous application of the scientific method to UAP data.

Source: NASA Science

However, a separate FOIA request, 26-00789-F-HQ (available for download at article end) originally filed on 4 May 2026 and received on 28 September 2026 - targeting communications between Mark McInerney, NASA’s Director of UAP Research, and research librarians at the Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC) - has yielded a substantial paper trail.

Final Response for NASA 26-00789-F-HQ

NASA returned a staggering 3,668 pages (2,778 pages released in full and 890 pages released in part). These documents illustrate a distinct administrative reality: while leadership maintained that the agency held no formal UAP records, the newly appointed Director of UAP Research was actively engaging internal library resources to compile technical literature on advanced aerospace platforms, propulsion, and perceptual phenomena.

Researching Platforms, Propulsion, and Perception

The newly disclosed emails outline a methodical, literature-based research effort conducted through the GSFC Library during the latter half of 2023. The records detail five distinct areas of inquiry:

• Advanced Airframes: In September 2023, McInerney requested academic and industry literature regarding state-of-the-art spherical or triangular drones. Library staff curated literature on spherical Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and Coanda-effect drones, while noting that true triangular designs were scarce in public literature, often overlapping with conventional military platforms like the B-2 stealth bomber.

  

  Source: NASA FOIA 26-00789-F-HQ

• Artificial Intelligence and Operational Security: The research load became so vast that library staff discussed utilizing Large Language Models (LLMs) to assist the data hunt. However, even while conducting unclassified literature searches, NASA contractors inherently understood the sensitivity of the UAP Director's specific interests. On 2 October 2023, GSFC librarian John Grunwell suggested using AI to find literature on spherical and triangular drones, but explicitly warned his colleague to do so "without revealing anything we shouldn't."

  

  Source: NASA FOIA 26-00789-F-HQ

• Exotic Propulsion: McInerney subsequently expanded his inquiries into commercial ion propulsion and electromagnetic propulsion. Library personnel provided technical papers from the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) covering plasma flow control, dielectric barrier discharge (DBD) actuators, and energy deposition methods for sonic boom reduction.

  

  Source: NASA FOIA 26-00789-F-HQ

• Human Factors: To examine observational data, McInerney requested literature on parallax and apparent position shift to help explain sightings where a pilot sees an object flying below them that appears to move "faster than reality." The requests pushed so far past standard aerospace parameters that it prompted a candid reaction from GSFC librarian John Grunwell, who noted the inquiries might require expanding into "journals of vision, perception, consciousness studies, etc."

  

  Source: NASA FOIA 26-00789-F-HQ

• Environmental Signatures Database: A few months earlier in July 2023, McInerney initiated a project to explore creating an environmental signatures database. The objective was to help scientists distinguish known natural phenomena - such as atmospheric sprites or marine life tracked via Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) - from genuine anomalies. This initiative aligned with public statements made by IST members like Dr. David Spergel regarding the need to leverage NASA’s high-resolution data assets.

  

  Source: NASA FOIA 26-00789-F-HQ

The GSFC library compiled extensive Zotero bibliographies spanning multiple scientific disciplines to support this database, though the initiative was paused by September 2023 due to resource limitations. Zotero bibliographies are curated, formatted lists of academic citations and research materials compiled using specialised reference management software.

NASA’s UAP Director of Research and Public Visibility

The timeline of these internal research requests ran parallel to NASA’s highly anticipated UAP Independent Study Team (IST) Report, released on 14 September 2023.

Source: NASA

During the media teleconference accompanying the report’s release, NASA leadership faced questions regarding the newly created Director of UAP Research position. Initially, officials expressed reluctance to publicly identify the individual holding the role due to concerns over cyber-harassment and stigma. Ultimately, later that day, NASA publicly confirmed Mark McInerney’s appointment.

Source: NASA Science

Despite the public visibility surrounding the appointment, the administrative reality of the position appears to have been temporary. Internal communications from early 2025 confirmed that McInerney’s detail to the Department of Defense’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) concluded in the fall of 2024, and the Director of UAP Research role was left without a permanent backfill.

According to his LinkedIn profile, Mark McInerney has since stepped away from his federal duties, having officially retired from NASA in July 2025. His departure coincided with the agency's delayed resignation program, quietly bringing an end to his tenure as the first Director of UAP Research.

Internal Record-Keeping and Interagency Routing

The internal correspondence within the FOIA release also documents candid discussions between agency leadership and NASA Records Officer Patti Stockman regarding how UAP-related materials are categorised and retained. When informed that NASA claimed to hold no UAP records, Stockman expressed surprise regarding the lack of documentation given the agency’s recent public-facing studies.

Source: NASA FOIA 26-00029-F-HQ

The conversation deepened when Stockman forwarded guidance from the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) explicitly detailing the federal metadata requirements for digitised UAP records. She directly questioned how NASA could reconcile NARA’s requirements with the assertion that the agency possessed zero UAP records.

Source: NASA FOIA 26-00029-F-HQ

In response, Evans reiterated that NASA did not hold records related to UAP, noting that previous incidents investigated near NASA centers were ultimately identified or tracked by DoD assets. Regarding his own inbox, Evans noted that he received a large volume of unsolicited emails from the public. He stated that, following previous guidance regarding non-pertinent agency business, he had routinely deleted these communications, thereby resulting in no retained records.

Source: NASA FOIA 26-00029-F-HQ

Additionally, in handling subsequent FOIA requests, NASA referred portions of its files to external bodies: 26 pages to the Department of Defense and 15 pages to the Government Accountability Office (GAO). Because the GAO operates as an investigative arm of Congress, it is legally exempt from statutory FOIA timelines under 4 CFR Part 81. By routing records through these interagency channels, public access is managed outside of standard FOIA frameworks, highlighting the complex web of jurisdiction governing federal records on sensitive topics.

The Quiet Closure of the Goddard Library

Established alongside the Goddard Space Flight Center when it opened in 1959 as NASA’s first space flight complex, the GSFC Library grew to become the agency’s largest research library. For over six decades, it served as a vital intellectual hub, offering scientists, engineers, and administrators unparalleled access to technical aerospace literature and invaluable historical archives - including primary source documents dating back to the facility’s early high-altitude balloon research. As demonstrated by the UAP Director’s extensive 2023 inquiries, the library’s dedicated staff and expansive collections were instrumental in conducting the kind of deep-dive, multi-disciplinary research that standard digital searches simply could not replicate.

Despite its critical role in advancing aerospace research, the GSFC Library was permanently closed on 2 January 2026. The shuttering of the historic facility was part of a sweeping, Goddard-wide campus transformation and cost-cutting initiative aimed at consolidating operations. Driven by broader federal reorganisation mandates, the closure plan involved shuttering over a dozen buildings and more than 100 laboratories. While NASA indicated that a small percentage of the rarest materials would be saved or digitised, thousands of physical volumes and historical records were reportedly slated for disposal or transfer to the General Services Administration, effectively marking the end of an era for one of NASA’s most significant repositories of scientific history.

Conclusion

The release of these 3,668 pages demonstrates a fundamental tension within federal science administration. While executive-level public statements and internal emails stressed that NASA held no formal UAP documentation, the day-to-day operations revealed active data gathering and technical exploration of aerospace anomalies through the GSFC library.

As researchers continue to examine the remaining X-drive spreadsheets and Zotero databases referenced in the emails, this documentation serves as a valuable reminder: in the pursuit of transparency, tracking administrative workflows and library requests often provides the clearest picture of an agency’s true engagement with the UAP topic.

• Download FOIA documents
  26-00789-F-HQ - Redacted Records - 1 of 2 [298 Pages, 2.6MB]
  26-00789-F-HQ - Redacted Records - 2 of 2 [3,380 Pages, 18.5MB]
• About Grant Lavac
  Grant is a UAP activist, researcher and podcaster residing in Melbourne, Australia. Grant frequently leverages the Freedom of Information Act to better understand Australia’s involvement (or rather, lack thereof) on the UAP issue, and engages both his elected representatives and the legacy media in the hope they’ll take the topic seriously and treat it with the respect it deserves. Grant reports on his FOIA findings and engagement efforts via his podcast, The Unexplained Rundown, which is freely available on Spotify and YouTube. To follow Grant’s ongoing research, visit grantlavac.com.

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UFO Disclosure 2026: Fifth Batch Of 41 Classified Files Released; Here's How To Access

By Mashable News Staff 

The US Department of War released a fifth batch of declassified UFO files on Friday, adding 41 new documents, images, and videos to its public disclosure website. The files went live around 6:36 PM IST. Records in this tranche of documents come from the Pentagon, FBI, CIA, State Department, and the Executive Office of the President. The oldest file dates to 1950; the newest was generated this year. This is the fifth release since President Donald Trump ordered federal agencies in February to identify and release records related to unidentified aerial phenomena. The first batch went live on May 8 with 158 files. Four more have followed since then on a rolling basis, with no fixed schedule between each of the subsequent releases.

In his statement announcing the release, Assistant to the Secretary of War for Public Affairs Sean Parnell said the department and its agency partners are actively working on the next set of files.

How to Access UFO Files?

The files are hosted on the US government portal called PURSUE, short for the Presidential Unsealing and Reporting System for UAP Encounters. The Department of War has not published individual summaries for this batch. Researchers and lay folks shifting through the 41 files are a bit bummed that there are no decent releases in the cache.

UFO Files 2026: The Department of War has put out a fresh batch of UFO, or UAP, records on its PURSUE website. This is the fifth release so far. It adds 41 new files and mixes together documents, images, and videos. The records come from the Pentagon, FBI, CIA, the State Department, and the Executive Office of the President. The oldest file in the set is from 1950. The newest one was created this year. The release page says these are unresolved cases, which means the government still does not have a final answer for them

Here's how to access the files

1. Go to war.gov/ufo. Or click here.
2. Select "Release 05" from the list of batches.
3. Browse the documents, images, and videos under that release.
4. Click a file to view or download it as a PDF, image, or video.

Report back if you find anything anomalous out there.

Several FBI interview forms are also in the release, many with redactions and hand-drawn pictures of what witnesses said they saw. One report records a former military pilot talking about lights he saw while flying from Massachusetts to Ireland in October 2023. He said the lights were white, started dim, got brighter, and then faded out. He said the full cycle lasted from 10 seconds to one minute, and that he saw them about 10 times after the first sighting.

See Also:

• UFO Disclosure 2026: Trump Admin Releases First Set With 162 Files Of Unresolved Cases; Here's How To Access

Cover: Department of War

The Fifth Tranche: 41 Files, Three Cases, and the Word "Unresolved"

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