Oct. 9, 1989 Vs Nov. 9, 1989

Why ‘Aliens’ ‘Landed’ in Russia 25 Years Ago

By Lily Rothman
time.com
10-9-14

They had small heads and wore silver overalls, apparently

     
Extra-terrestrial contact has already been made — at least if you believe a report that ran 25 years ago Thursday, on Oct. 9, 1989, in the Soviet press agency TASS.

On Sept. 27 of that year, according to the official report, tall three-eyed aliens with small heads showed up in the city of Voronezh, arriving in a shiny ball (or, alternatively, a “banana-shaped” object) and bringing with them their robot. ”Scientists have confirmed that an unidentified flying object recently landed in a park in the Russian city of Voronezh,” an Associated Press translation of the report read. ”They have also identified the landing site and found traces of aliens who made a short promenade about the park.” They left behind them “two pieces of unidentified rocks,” made of a substance that “cannot be found on Earth.”

When pressed, TASS stood by the report. In fact, the agency could add more details a few days later, the New York Times reported. For example, aliens were wearing “silvery overalls and bronze boots.” . . .

My Final Call, Stan!

MJ-12 Debate Continues: Kevin Randle's Final Word on The Matter?

MJ-12 Debate Continues: Kevin Randle's Final Word on The Matter

By Kevin Randle The UFO Chronicles © 10-9-14

     When you resort to suggesting that the lack of provenance is a silly argument—that is the point where I bow out. This is going nowhere and I have a book to complete rather than say the same things over and over to you so that you can ignore them.
I will respond to one item. I have a letter from Dr. Winfred Buskirk dated August 30, 1991, in his own handwriting that says, "Anderson was in my Anthropology class the 1st semester, then, according to his transcript, took a French class the second semester." I had avoided using this until now because those who supplied the information were still employed by the Albuquerque school system and could have gotten into trouble. Now that situation has worked itself out.
I also have a letter dated August 8, 1991, again written in Buskirk's own hand that says, "Now - at Albuquerque High he was enrolled for a semester of Anthropology. This was a course I taught in the fall, so he must have taken it in 1957 - 1958 and, I presumed passed it with credit (I failed no one if I could help it.)... You will probably want to call Mrs. [left the name out to protect the innocent], .[second name left out] and [third name left out] for a verification." This I did, but after Anderson called the school to demand that they release no information about him, I kept this to myself.
Here is the interesting part of that letter by Buskirk, "They [the names that I had removed] had been contacted by Friedman, and both had referred him to her... But Friedman has not contacted her." The question is, did you ever contact her and what did you learn? Did she tell you the same things that I learned?
Once again, I have the letters in hand and there is even my handwritten note of a telephone number for one of these people whom I did call. He said that he was looking at the transcript as we talked. By the way, Anderson did, in a letter to me, confirm some of the information that camefrom those sources. He's dead in the water on this, and I have the proof.
I have noticed that he misinterpreted my comments about Peter Tytell and attempt to switch the conversation from the EBD and the Truman Memo to that nutty NSA document you carry around. You don't seem to get that I talked to Tytell, so I might answer that as well... or I might not. I do have a book due here and this is now taking too much time. I don't think there are many out there who are buying these arguments anyway.

Dr. Menzel, The Work Of CI Spooks, Stan?

MJ-12: The Hoax That Quickly Became a Disinformation Operation

By Robert Hastings The UFO Chronicles 10-10-14

      Stan Friedman and I once had a brief face-to-face debate about the Majestic-12 (MJ-12) documents, as I was helping him move his luggage from his hotel room to the lobby, to await the taxi to the airport, following the III World UFO Forum in Curitiba, Brazil in June 2009, at which we both spoke.
One of those documents, the key Eisenhower Briefing Document (EBD), purports to be a Top Secret report to president-elect Dwight Eisenhower, prepared by Rear Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, in which the Roswell Incident—the recovery of an alien spaceship and the bodies of its crew—is outlined for the soon-to-be new chief executive.
Along with this earth-shattering news, Eisenhower is told of the existence of a Top Secret group, the Majestic 12 or Majik 12, a “Research and Development Intelligence” operation whose 12 members oversee basically everything related to the case.

After I pressed him on the point, Friedman actually agreed with me that the obscure elements in the EBD—which he publicly claims prove its authenticity—could have been researched by counterintelligence personnel, military or civilian, and planted in the “document” to lend it an air of legitimacy. This includes the mention of UFO skeptic Dr. Donald Menzel as a member of MJ-12—whose covert relationship with the National Security Agency was only exposed after the EBD was made public—as well as other items.
In other words, if the MJ-12 affair is a disinformation scheme involving a counterintelligence group, and not just a simple hoax—as I maintain—the arcane aspects of the Eisenhower Briefing Document (and Cutler-Twining Memo and Truman-Forrestal Memo) that Friedman holds up as evidence of their authenticity, might instead be explained by the spooks who created them having done their homework. If their task was to muddy the waters, so to speak, certainly they would have been allowed access to various relevant historical materials that would have assisted them in the creation of passable forgeries.
As one of the first investigators of MJ-12, who helped expose its bogus origins—together with Barry Greenwood, Kevin Randle, and the late Bob Todd—I have detailed information about the early manifestations of the caper. My widely-circulated March 1, 1989 paper, “The MJ-12 Affair: Facts, Questions, Comments” is available at http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/hastings.htm.

While Greenwood and Randle believe that a simple hoax, designed to make money, was perpetrated by researcher Bill Moore and U.S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI) Special Agent Richard Doty, I contend the available evidence strongly suggests that the MJ-12 fraud, while originating as a hoax, was quickly co-opted by AFOSI and perhaps other intelligence groups, as a means to disinform/misdirect ufologists and the public-at-large, regarding the nature and extent of the U.S. government’s involvement with the UFO phenomenon.
I am fully aware that Stan Friedman will never agree with this scenario—and may claim that our conversation in Brazil never happened—so I am merely going to itemize the following for the benefit of others who have an open mind about the subject:

● According to files donated to MUFON by the late Bob Pratt, the name “MAJIK 12” was assigned to a proposed work of fiction about UFOs, the official cover-up of them, and one intelligence agent’s quest to expose the facts. The novel was to be co-authored by journalist Pratt and researcher Bill Moore, probably with the assistance of Richard Doty.
All of this was discussed some three years before the first supposedly real Majestic-12/Majik-12 “document” surfaced. MAJIK 12 was the book’s working title; IAC, for Identified Alien Craft, was an alternate title. However, at some point, The Aquarius Project was unilaterally selected as the title by Moore. The
terms “Project Aquarius” and “IAC” later appeared in the allegedly real Majestic-12 documents, as did “EBE” for Extraterrestrial Biological Entity, another term associated with the proposed fictional work.
● Two years before the MJ-12 documents were released to the public, Moore suggested to researcher Brad Sparks that fake documents relating to the Roswell UFO recovery be created and disseminated, the idea being that military veterans with a knowledge of the event would be enticed to come forward with their stories, thereby breaking the case wide open. Sparks states that he strongly recommended that Moore not do it.
● The undeveloped roll of film containing images of the EDB and Truman-Forrestal (TF) documents was mailed to Moore’s associate Jaime Shandera from Albuquerque, New Mexico, coincidentally the location of Kirtland AFB—where OSI agent Richard Doty worked.
● In April 2009, the late Gabe Valdez, a retired New Mexico State Policeman famous for his cattle mutilation work, told me that fellow state trooper Richard Doty had confessed to him that he had forged “lots” of UFO-related documents while working as an OSI agent. Doty became a New Mexico State Policeman after retiring from the Air Force in 1988.
Doty’s fraudulent “Craig Weitzel letter”, “1977 Ellsworth AFB incident document”, and “Aquarius Telex”—the first document to surface that actually mentioned MJ-12—were exposed in the 1980s. Three fakes hardly constitute “lots” of forgeries. What other “documents” did Doty foist on ufology and the rest of the world?
Gabe Valdez asked me not to tape our 2009 conversation or to quote him publicly; now that he is dead, I feel I can do so.
● In May 2009, I posted various MJ-12-related statements on a blog, at one point referring to Doty as “a government disinformation agent who forged documents.” On May 24, 2009, Doty emailed me, angrily saying, “A simple fact, Mr. Hastings, everything I did during my intelligence days were [sic] sanctioned.”

This is Classic Doty, notorious for his frequent grammatical and spelling errors. I note here that the MJ-12 documents have a number of such errors sprinkled throughout them.
Not that Doty is necessarily a candidate for the forgery of the EBD in particular; its somewhat complex content required a level of sophistication arguably beyond Doty’s rather limited abilities. Instead, higher-level intelligence types, and Bill Moore himself, must be considered to be high on the list of persons who might be
responsible for its creation.
Remember, Moore once told researcher Lee Graham that he was an intelligence operative, and even showed Graham an ID badge that Graham said was “identical” in appearance to the badges shown to him by two members of the Defense Investigative Service (DIS) who had once visited him.

When I published Graham’s comments in 1989, Moore quickly said that he had only been joking with the hapless researcher and that the badge was only a laminated MUFON field investigator’s card. However, Graham remains adamant that the badge he was shown was a genuine government ID card.
But if Doty is not responsible for the creation of the EBD, the ridiculous mumbo jumbo found in the so-called “MJ-5 Memo” is right up his alley. On October 14, 1988, Doty appeared anonymously (back-lit and voice-altered) as “Falcon” on the absurd TV farce UFO Cover-up Live!, together with USAF intelligence officer Capt. Robert M. Collins, who also appeared anonymously as “Condor”. The pair claimed to be high-level intelligence insiders who knew about multiple UFO crashes, live aliens being held captive by the U.S. government, and other such fare.
Apparently the aliens liked strawberry ice cream and Tibetan music, according to Doty and Collins.
In November 1987, the same Capt. Robert Collins showed Linda Moulton Howe a ring-binder full of MJ-12 documents at his home in Albuquerque. According to Howe, Collins had been “frantically” trying to reach her so that he could present those supposedly important files. The EBD was prominently featured, as was the MJ-5 Memo, together with another memorandum that mentioned the live aliens held at Los Alamos—among other items.

Howe swallowed it all, of course, soon sharing information about the bogus evidence with ufologists and the public, following-up on her earlier “revelations” about alleged secret U.S./alien treaties, underground alien bases, and other such disclosures—all of which had been provided to her by OSI Special Agent Doty.
In 2009, Collins denied showing documents to Howe (and John Lear) at his house in 1987. Fortunately, I recorded my conversation with Howe less than a year after the event and she described the goings-on in detail. A summary of all of this, as well as my telephone transcript, may be read in my Operation Bird Droppings article.
According to his self-written bio at Amazon.com, appearing with a summary of his book, Exempt From Disclosure, Robert Collins is a “former Air Force Intelligence Officer, Capt, O-3 (Chief Analyst/Scientist in theoretical Physics holding a Top Secret/SCI clearance) at the Foreign Technology Division (FTD)...Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio, with an extensive background in Aircraft Avionics Systems, Ground Communications, and Engineering Physics (graduate school—Electro-Optics, Plasma, and Nuclear Physics) totaling over 22 years…”
Gee, not a single word from Collins about his appearing on a national television program masquerading as a “high-level intelligence source, code-named Condor” who also “frantically” disseminated disinformation relating to MJ-12.
Summarizing here, in the early days of the ruse, two of the leading proponents for the legitimacy of the now-discredited MJ-12 material were a counterintelligence OSI agent, who later confessed to forging UFO-related documents, and a positive intelligence officer who willingly posed as something he was not—someone having intimate knowledge about various crashed UFOs and captured aliens being held by the U.S. government.
Try as he may, Stan Friedman cannot credibly distance the supposedly “good” MJ-12 documents—EBD, CT, TF—from the “bad” ones that were circulating in the 1980s.
They were all lumped together and presented as equally important and legitimate by two Air Force intelligence operatives—clearly acting as disinformation agents—who were aggressively foisting them on well-meaning but gullible people such as Linda Howe.
Once the shenanigans perpetrated by the Kirtland AFB Cabal were effectively exposed, by Greenwood, Todd and myself, Bill Moore saw the writing on the wall and finally acknowledged much of what we had written.

During his infamous “confession” speech, at the MUFON conference in Las Vegas, on July 1, 1989, Moore said, “Disinformation is a strange and bizarre game. Those who play it are completely aware that an operation’s success is dependent upon dropping information upon a target, or ‘mark,’ in such a way that the person will accept it as truth and will repeat, and even defend it to others as if it were true. Once this has been accomplished, the work of the counterintelligence specialists is complete. They can simply withdraw in the confidence that the dirty work of spreading their poisonous seeds will be done by others.”
Linda Howe and others—including Stanton Friedman—certainly did their part in the game, helping to create a mythology that endures today.
As I wrote earlier, the available evidence strongly suggests that while the MJ-12 Affair began as a legitimate money-making project, involving the writing of a novel, it eventually became a hoax, involving forged documents—with money again being the objective, resulting from various related schemes—before finally morphing into a disinformation ploy orchestrated by intelligence and counterintelligence groups within the U.S. Air Force.

Today
I am distressed that the MJ-12 debate (actually, debacle) continues to have ramifications 30 years later, perpetually polluting the legitimate UFO research database.
For example, MJ-12 was prominently featured during the Citizens Hearing on Disclosure, held in Washington D.C. in May 2013. Linda Moulton Howe breathlessly characterized the MJ-12-related SOM 1-01 Special Operations Manual—which directs military personnel how to recover crashed UFOs and dead aliens—as having “stood the test of time”. Hardly!
Military document expert and longtime UFO researcher Jan Aldrich has discovered over 50 factual errors and/or discrepancies in military protocol in the so-called “manual”.
Another high-profile personage in ufology, self-described “historian” Richard Dolan, has repeatedly vouched for the legitimacy of the MJ-12 materials in various UFO “documentaries” on television.

And Robert and Ryan Wood, at their Majestic Documents website, still regularly churn out pro-MJ-12 “evidence” and commentary. As I pointedly said to them, from the podium at the 2012 Society for Scientific Exploration conference, if one is going to have any hope of deciphering the U.S. government’s covert response to UFOs, one must adhere to the fundamental principles underlying academic scholarship or, at least, traditional investigative journalism, to figure out what is real, as opposed to what is not.
In other words, relying only on authenticated documents and vetted witness testimony when evaluating historical developments. In response, the Woods just stared at their shoes and said nothing.
Given that the MJ-12 proponents routinely ignore this valid advice, and spout off incessantly about their supposedly-insightful “findings”, it’s no wonder that the bullshit typed-up by OSI Agent Doty, con artist Bill Moore and, later on, hoaxer Tim Cooper, has only gained ground on the Internet over the years, at least among the less-discriminating members of the public.
At least Cooper has now completely disavowed the MJ-12 2.0 “documents” that he was actively disseminating a few years ago. Oh, you didn’t know about that? See my “Operation Bird Droppings” article addendum.
Regardless, questions about Cooper’s possible role in creating those forged files remain unanswered.
Jeez, what a colossal waste of everyone’s time!
There are legitimate areas in ufology that go begging for attention by qualified researchers. It’s nothing short of pathetic that so much effort has been spent on the MJ-12 Affair, especially when the basic facts about its dubious origins and early machinations have been well researched and publicized for years.
To the reader, I say this: Please do your homework. The facts are indeed available, if one is willing to take the time to discover them. Start by asking yourself whether any “evidence” offered by the MJ-12 proponents would meet the standards of academic or journalistic investigative research. Can even a single MJ-12 “document” be proved to be genuine, by any accepted definition of that word?
Bizarrely, Stan Friedman has recently asserted that provenance—the chronology of the ownership, custody or location of a historical object—is not even an issue when it comes to analyzing the MJ-12 documents! Would any academician or investigative journalist dare make such a claim about a disputed document that has mysteriously appeared out of nowhere, if he/she hoped to have any credibility at all after doing so? Of course not!
The great many documents underlying my own UFO-Nukes Connection research can be verifiably traced to a given government department or agency.
Can the MJ-12 proponents honestly make that claim? No, they cannot. All they can offer are their opinions about how it might be possible for these supposed documents to be real.
Whoopee...
For the record, I personally believe that the Roswell Incident—the secret recovery of an alien spaceship and the bodies of its crew—did in fact take place. I recommend a review of the on-the-record statements by the late U.S. Air Force Brigadier General Arthur E. Exon, as presented at http://roswellproof.homestead.com/exon.html.
While having only an indirect knowledge of the incident and its aftermath, acquired from some of the military participants who were involved in the operation, Exon’s revelations are far more insightful and valuable than anything emerging from the MJ-12 fiasco.
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Bird Droppings and MJ-12, Stanton Friedman Responds . . .

MJ-12 Debate Continues: Alejandro Rojas Rebukes Stanton Friedman

MJ-12 Debate Continues: Stanton Friedman Counters

MJ-12 Debate Continues: Kevin Randle Queries Stanton Friedman

MJ-12: Stanton Friedman Fires Back; The Disputation with Kevin Randle Continues ...

MJ-12: Kevin Randle Rails Against Stanton Friedman's Rebuttal

MJ-12: Alejandro Rojas Accepts Stanton Friedman's Debate Challenge

MJ-12: Renowned Ufologist, Stanton Friedman Issues Debate Challenge To Naysayers

More False Claims About Majestic 12

The Myth of MJ-12: Appendix A –Pt 1

The Myth of MJ-12: Appendix A –Pt 2

The Myth of MJ-12: Appendix A –Pt 3

"Appendix A: The Myth of MJ-12" An Annotated Commentary By Barry Greenwood

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You've Been Duped, Stan!

MJ-12 Debate Continues: Alejandro Rojas Rebukes Stanton Friedman

MJ-12 Debate Continues: Alejandro Rojas Rebukes Stanton Friedman

By Alejandro Rojas The UFO Chronicles © 10-9-14

     This is a strange message, because my research is about the origins of the documents. Stanton often expresses his frustration when people he debates have not reviewed his material. However, this message indicates that Stanton has not reviewed my research, which is on the origins of the MJ-12 documents, and how they were released to a group of individual who were involved with an admitted disinformation scandal.
Incidentally, some of these people were also Stanton's research partners. However, instead of discussing this sordid affair to help absolve himself of any association with the scandal, Stanton continues to ignore the scandal even took place. It appears Stanton is trying to do the same thing here. I argue that any full investigation of the case must include the circumstances surrounding how the public came to know of these documents. Something Stanton has not provided.
Stanton has admitted to me that Doty, an agent with the USAF Office of Special Investigations, was the first person to mention the term MJ-12 in a document Doty says was part of a disinformation campaign. He has also admitted that Doty is not to be trusted and has proven to be deceitful. Stanton has also admitted that his research partner at the time, William Moore, is not to be trusted. This was proven to be the case when Moore admitted to being part of Doty's disinformation campaign.
Much of Stanton's research on the MJ-12 documents was prior to anyone knowing Moore was working with Doty. I believe that Stanton is a man of high integrity, and, along with the rest of the UFO community, was a victim of this disinformation scandal.
It must be hard to know one has been chasing a wild goose for years, only to find that their own research partner was involved with setting the goose loose. I can understand that, but ignoring the events do not allow for a sufficient analysis of the situation.
I will be more than happy to discuss with Stanton some of the details of his relationship with the people involved with the disinformation scandal. Details he avoids sharing in public, but are pertinent to the field of Ufology. I would also like to discuss why he feels the fact that the documents were released amidst this scandal have no bearing on their validity. I also would like to discuss with him my view that no matter how long his list is, it does not prove that the documents were not disinformation, officially sanctioned by the government or otherwise.

Near Kin 2 Sputnik

Time To Throw In The Towel, Kevin!

MJ-12 Debate Continues: Stanton Friedman Counters

Kevin:
Thank you for once again demonstrating your illogicality and inaccuracy with regard to the MJ-12 documents. Your basic rule is: Absence of evidence is evidence for absence which is illogical. Let me be specific, though as you know from previous items I have written, I provided a long list of examples. You bring up Willingham again for reasons unknown. I have never said that his story proves anything. Of course I don't have any evidence that there was a saucer crash at el Indio Guerrero. on 06 December, 1950.The document says ..."By the time the search team arrived, what remained of the object had been almost totally incinerated. Such material as could be recovered was transported to the A.E.C. facility at Sandia, New Mexico, for study." That was a nuclear weapons lab. As you are well aware, I do not have access to classified information about the results of that study or anything else. That surely doesn't mean that there was no study done. I suspect that the search team was there because "the long trajectory" was observed on radar and would also have provided classified information.
You have described the response of Peter Tytel, a noted forensic Documents examiner to whom I had sent a copy of the EBD "it was just perfect because the whole thing of the twelve pages or however many pages it was. Most of the pages were blank pages with just five words written on them like TOP SECRET or Appendix A or something like that." The fact is the EBD was 7 pages (plus the TF memo) and only one (page 7) had just Appendix A on it.
Strangely you did not even include that page in your book. You quoted Tytel's off hand remark that the typewriter was of much later vintage. A full professional evaluation by James Black paid for by Dr. Robert M Wood stated the typeface was from an Underwood Standard from May 1940.
Several authorities claimed that TOP SECRET Restricted was not used during Ike's terms.
The GAO found examples and said so. Blind Luck? The date of the TF was the only day in a many month period when Truman, Bush and Forrestal met. Blind Luck? The hoaxer threw a dart at a dart board and found the one time when Cutler was out of the country so didn't sign the CT or put a /s/. Of course he blindly knew that Menzel would pass muster though nobody else did. He knew to put a period after the date on TF knowing that Bush always did. He knew that James Lay had been instructed to keep things moving out of Cutler's in Basket. George Elsey, who worked for Truman all the time he was President , said Lay would have written the memo for Cutler (after I pointed out Lay's instructions from Cutler and found that there was nothing wrong with the 3 documents, etc., ad nauseum).
Also chose an unusual carbon paper but knew it would eventually pass muster.
Another example is that you claimed truly that nowhere did I find any mention of MJ-12 in Donald Menzel's papers ... no Marginal notes, no oblique references etc. Menzel according to his own words to Jack Kennedy had been connected to the NSA and its Navy predecessor for decades. I have seen no reference to this connection predating my discovery in his papers at the Harvard Archives. You expect him to have left classified notes and information lying around? There were no classified papers there. His secretary assured me that he was very careful about security. Remember that the 156 pages of NSA UFO documents finally released were classified TOP SECRET UMBRA and one could only read 1 line per page.
You are now claiming that Dr. Buskirk claimed that Gerald Anderson was in his anthro class.at Albuquerque High School. I have trouble believing that he did so claim. You will recall that I visited the high school and twice talked by phone to the student whom you claimed recalled Gerald from that class. He denied it even after I sent him and another student a copy of a picture of Gerald from the High School yearbook. Your evidence please—not your wishful thinking.
I have as you know, noted many pieces of data not known to be true until after we received the CT,TF, and EBD . How did a hoaxer know those?? Time travel such as invoked by the USAF when claiming Crash Test Dummies not dropped until 6 years after Roswell accounted for the Body stories?
Why do you falsely claim that I said the TF signature "exactly matches" one on a Truman Bush letter? You made that up. I said "matches" not "exactly matches."
That is as bad as Klass saying Letter 9 times for the TF MEMO and his falsely claiming Pica Type wasn't used at the NSC. He paid me $1000.00 for proving him wrong about that after I provided 14 examples.
Why don't you mention the findings of world class linguistics expert Dr. Roger Wescott who reviewed 27 examples of Hillenkoetter writings including the EBD and said "in my opinion there is no compelling reason to regard any of these communications as fraudulent or to believe that any of them were written by any one other than Hillenkoetter himself. This statement holds for the controversial presidential briefing memorandum of November 18, 1952 ...." You talk about drafts being destroyed. Onionskin copies were all over the place. None of the three is a draft. "Preliminary briefing" is not a draft.
The person who filmed the TOP SECRET MAJIC briefing and distributed the film to a person without a clearance or need to know was guilty of a crime. A hoaxer would have finally said gotcha. Provenance is a silly argument. Want a written confession, too? You have a solid military background, but still falsely claimed that calling Hillenkoetter Admiral (instead of rear admiral) meant the EBD was phony. You asked for another item by him with a signature. There is no signature by RHH on EBD In fact it was the standard practice to use generic ranks as you would have known if you had gone to the Ike Library. It is a lot closer to you than it is to me.
Time to throw in the towel. The 3 items are genuine.

See Also:
MJ-12 Debate Continues: Kevin Randle Queries Stanton Friedman
MJ-12: Stanton Friedman Fires Back; The Disputation with Kevin Randle Continues ...
MJ-12: evin Randle Rails Against Stanton Friedman's Rebuttal
MJ-12: Alejandro Rojas Accepts Stanton Friedman's Debate Challenge
MJ-12: Renowned Ufologist, Stanton Friedman Issues Debate Challenge To Naysayers
More False Claims About Majestic 12
The Myth of MJ-12: Appendix A –Pt 1
The Myth of MJ-12: Appendix A –Pt 2
The Myth of MJ-12: Appendix A –Pt 3

Let Me Try Again, Stan!

MJ-12 Debate Continues:
Kevin Randle Queries Stanton Friedman

By Kevin Randle The UFO Chronicles © 10-7-14

    
Seriously? You trot out that old chestnut? Do you make the same comments about writing fiction to Bruce Maccabee, Nick Pope or Whitley Streiber or is it just me? Are you following the propagandist rule that if you say something loud enough and long enough someone will believe you?

I notice you continue to dodge the questions. You have no explanation for the lack of provenance. This is a major flaw.

Since you bring up Kaufmann, how about Gerald Anderson? He forged a document and admitted that. You know the diary he submitted about the 1947 event was written in ink that didn’t exist prior to 1973. And he took the class from Winfred Buskirk. How do I know? Because I was able to access the records before Anderson demanded that they be closed and those records proved that Anderson took Buskirk’s Anthropology course. I can say that now because those who helped me have retired. It was the same information that Buskirk received when he called his friends at Albuquerque High School and told me to check it out myself.

The December 6, 1950, alert has no relevance. It was based on a possible intrusion of American airspace by an unknown aircraft. It lasted about an hour and had nothing to do with a crash of anything in Mexico. Zechel changed the date of Willingham’s case for that very reason… and you have no idea what sources of information I have been able to tap.

But this second crash mentioned is the fatal flaw because it never happened outside of the mind of Robert Willingham. He invented the tale and this is the only source of information about it, unless, of course, you have something to prove it did happen.

And you haven’t bothered with the altered Truman signature on the memo. You forgot to mention that you approached Peter Tytell, a questioned document expert who told you to wash your hands of MJ-12 because the clues he found screamed hoax. And you know that he has not produced a written report because no one has paid his fee but anyone who talks to him learns the same things about that investigation.

You still haven’t commented on Bill Moore’s idea of creating a Roswell document. Nor have you commented on the original plan being laid out in his book Majik-12. Nor that Moore said the EBD contained disinformation which is, of course, a nice way to say that it filled with lies. And you haven’t mentioned Moore’s “confession” in Las Vegas that has badly damaged his credibility, which in turn, damages MJ-12. (And don’t ask how because it was Moore who provided the EBD to the world.)

No matter how many times you say it, you still haven’t been able to explain some of the major discrepancies. You are reduced to asking how the forger could have known some obscure facts when the answer is simple… blind luck. He also missed on some very big items.

Oh, by the way, drafts of highly classified documents are normally destroyed once the final is completed. They also destroy the notes, the typewriter ribbons and even the blank pages left on note pads to ensure that the information isn’t compromised. Until you can find some actual evidence of authenticity for the MJ-12 documents, these conversations go almost nowhere.

From Proceedings of the 1976 CUFOS Conference

Santa Catalina Channel "Cloud Cigars"

by Ann Druffel

ABSTRACT:  Since 1962 there  have been recurring sightings of so-called cloud-cigars over the Catalina  Channel in Southern California.  These  hovering, seemingly energized clouds are reported both day and night, and  are accompanied by sightings of smaller, disc-like objects miles inland, while  the larger objects remain high above the Pacific Ocean between the mainland and  Catalina Island,  twenty (20) miles off  the coast.  Available facts indicate the  possibility that the  small craft  "materialize" within the developing cloud.  Ways are suggested in which CUFOS can obtain cooperation  from civilian and military authorities in monitoring these phenomena.
                                                    
SANTA CATALINA ISLAND'S CLOUD CIGARS:   The transitory nature of UFOs dismays  researchers. The objects appear unexpectedly to startled witnesses and in most cases  are gone before any permanent record of their passage can be obtained.

In  rare instances, however, the appearance of UFOs can be predicted by reason of  their repeated occurrence in some particular region. One of these regions is  over the Pacific Ocean between the coast of Southern California and the off-shore  islands, notably Santa Catalina Island, which lies about twenty miles (20) west  of the mainland.

We  are concerned specifically here with a rectangular area between thirty-three (33)  degrees and thirty-four (34) degrees latitude north and between  one-hundred-nineteen (119) degrees and one-hundred-seventeen point five  (11.7.5) degrees longitude west. Other "channel" and  "basin" areas, named for the cities and islands associated with them,  are involved here in question, is more meaningful. In most cases, the objects were  viewed between the mainland and the large off-shore island of Santa Catalina  Ref. 1) (Also see  Figure A)

Figure A

The  complex sea floor off southern California is becoming one of the best-known  submarine areas in the world.  Data on the  topography, sediments, rock formations and seismic character have been  published in several sources (Ref. 2).

There  has typically always been poor navigational control in this area, but it is  difficult to correlate this fact with the numerous magnetic anomalies existing  here
(Ref. 3).  

The  following material has never been published or, indeed, never collected  together before in cogent form.  It is  necessarily incomplete and speculative. When viewed as a whole however, it  might afford the UFO research field an opportunity to study long-lived UFO  phenomena with scientific instrumentation. Hopefully, readers of this paper  will offer ideas on how such instrumentation can be obtained, set up and  maintained.

THE 1962 MYSTERY: The first hint that the skies above the Santa  Catalina Channel held more than seagulls occurred, to the best of our  knowledge, in August 1962. Two women witnesses, of which this author (Druffel)  was one, had brought their six small           children, ages eight to one year,  for a leisurely day at the Long Beach, California seashore. About 2:00 p.m. one  of the women (author) noticed a small, white rectangular cloud, which looked exactly  like a newly-formed section of vapor trail. It seemed to be neatly sliced off  at each end and transplanted in the blue, smogless sky. Its apparent diameter  was about four millimeters at arm's length, and its width was one-half its          length.

It  was positioned at about forty (40) degrees elevation, approximately one hundred  ninety-five (195) degrees azimuth (magnetic) high in the sky. It seemed about  midway between the shore and the island of Santa Catalina, which was clearly visible  to the south and southwest. 

There  was no evidence of high-flying jets and no other vapor trails or clouds in that  quadrant of sky. After about fifteen minutes, the witness became aware that it  was not a normal vapor trail. It was too short, too isolated and did not change  shape or size in the slightest. Neither did it move in any direction [in spite  of a brisk wind blowing on the seashore.) The witness called her friend, Mrs.  James (Aileen) Cummings's, attention to it, and the two women continued to  observe the small white rectangle. For about thirty more minutes it remained  motionless, unchanged in size and shape.

Then  something began to occur within the tiny cloud. Its white vapor began to  "churn", presenting an impression of internal activity. It enlarged  two or three times; the time was now about 3:15 p.m.

During  the next half hour, it slowly changed into an oval, twenty to thirty (20-30) times  its original size. It still hovered at forty (40) degrees elevation at the  original azimuth, but now its apparent diameter had blossomed to four (4) centimeters  in length and about two (2) centimeters in width at arm's length. It was  solid-appearing, unlike a normal cloud. Its vaporous, oval shape was definite,  and at no time did the edges          dissipate beyond the perimeter.  There was a constant churning motion all over the visible surface, somewhat  like water boiling in slow motion. The object seemed angled at approximately twenty-five  to thirty (25-30) degrees, its longest diameter being
          positioned to the witnesses'  right (See  Figure B).

Figure B

The mysterious sight kept the witnesses'  attention, mainly because it seemed that "something" was inside its  vaporous exterior. At times it seemed as though the object were about to  "open up" to reveal whatever might be lurking within.  About forty-five (45) minutes after the  formation of the oval, the witnesses saw flashes of light coming from the  object. The flashes were bright white and momentary. They extended about a  diameter's length out from the surface. They gave the impression of strong  reflections from the bright sun off some metal surface within the cloud, or of  electric discharges. At          no time was any sound heard. The  flashes were periodic, separated by minutes, with no regular rhythm.

During  the time the flashes were observed, numerous military jet trails were seen in  the south, evidently over and beyond Catalina Island. These trails were  observed from four to ten (4-10) degrees above the island, which rises about  three (3) degrees above the horizon from that viewing position. None of the jet  trails appeared within thirty (30) degrees of the churning, flashing cloud.  However, these trails indicated the presence of a number of highly active, military  jets.

After  watching the flashes in the cloud for about fifteen minutes, the witnesses  approached a nearby lifeguard, hoping he could lend them binoculars so they  could get a closer view of the activity within the cloud. He denied having  binoculars, and when the witnesses tried to explain to him about the strange cloud  he showed no interest.

About  5:00 p.m. the witnesses collected their small children, preparatory to making  the long thirty-five mile drive back to their Pasadena homes. They left  reluctantly, pausing several times during the quarter-mile walk to their cars  to stare at          the object. It still hung motionless  high in the sky. They discussed reporting the incident to the Long Beach Press-Telegram but  rationalized that the object must have been seen and reported by many others.  It had been in view more than three hours.   However, there was never any media coverage of the event, to the  witnesses' surprise (Ref. 4).

As  awed as the witnesses felt over the cloud's strange exterior, the activity  within it was so inexplicable that both felt inadequate to even verbalize it.  Consequently, it went unreported until this date. They remained totally unaware  of the possible significance of the occurrence until years later.  More on the possible significance of this  sighting, after further correlative material had surfaced, has been presented  below.

THE 1968 "CLOUD-CIGAR":   The second instance of a "vaporous cloud" over the Catalina  Channel occurred on July 9th, 1968.  By  this time, the Los Angeles NICAP Subcommittee [to which the author belonged] had  established SKYNET, a tracking-and-filter center designed to collect and investigate  public UFO reports.

On  that summer evening, the phones rang off their hooks at the Project  Coordinator's [Druffel's] home in Pasadena.   Thirty air miles south in Long Beach and surrounding communities,  citizens began reporting a large, glowing mass positioned high over the  Catalina Channel. Accompanying the silent, hovering cloud were several glowing,  smaller globes which maneuvered in the same area of sky (See  Figure C).

Figure C

The  first call came from a group of five teenagers gathered at the home of Kevin  Allgreen, three miles north of the shore line. At 9:35 p.m. they had noticed a  gray-white, diamond-shaped haze under the full moon in the south-southeast. At 10:05  it began moving fifty-five (55) degrees in a horizontal line toward the west.  By 10:15 it had returned, intact, to its original position near the moon.  Maneuvering near the large
          object were five smaller cloud-like  objects, oval-shaped with clearcut edges. Two of these were grayish and three  "kind of white." 

The  boys, aged thirteen to eighteen years, viewed the objects through binoculars  and determined that all of the unknown masses looked "solid". They  kept their shape and precise edges through subsequent maneuvers. Although the  edges of the larger object were "fuzzy," it did not seem to be a  normal cloud because it moved too fast during its brief journey westward and  back again, traveling fifty-five (55) degrees in three (3) minutes. It was many  times the size of the smaller balls, an estimated five to six (5-6) times the  diameter of the full moon.  The end  facing west was long and narrow, and the part facing east was shaped "like  a diamond."

The  boys were convinced that they were viewing something highly unusual. They  estimated the main mass was about ten (10) miles high. About 11:00 p.m. the  large object turned reddish-orange in color and began traveling upward at an  approximate          angle of thirty (30) degrees. By  11:30 it "just faded away," taking five (5) minutes to dissipate out  of sight.

Following  hard on the teenagers' first call, the family of Mr. I. Castano of Compton also  called SKYNET. From their home seven miles north of the Long Beach witnesses,  his family had viewed a group of four oval, cloud-like objects the size of          pinheads at arm's length, or about  one-eighth the size of the full moon. First seen at 9:30 p.m. and disappearing  at 10:00 p.m. they were glowing white with precise edges. They were gathered around  the moon when first seen, and then started departing  "right and left." They  seemed to be far out in space. The objects spread out and then dashed toward  one another," Castano related. '"It looked like some kind of a  war." To Mr. Castano, who had never believed in the existence of UFOs  before, the event was completely mystifying (Ref. 5).

The  Castanos did not describe the large cloud, but this is probably because he was  much further north than the Long Beach witnesses. Was he seeing the smaller  related objects on a mission inward from the Channel (Ref. 6)?

Another  report which seems to validate the above speculation comes from the files of  Paul Wilson, another local UFO researcher. He was informed by his neighbors,  Michael and Leslie G. that they had seen a glowing UFO about 9:30 or 10:00 p.m.  on the same night. It traveled toward their home in Hawthorne (fifteen air miles  northwest of Long Beach), approaching from the east.  It was oval and slightly smaller than the  full moon. It was shiny white with clearcut edges, seemed to be several miles  away, and traveled toward the south away from the moon and back again. It was  soundless, spun in an apparent circle "around the moon" and  afterwards let off streams of smoke or vapor from its side. Duration of  sighting was twenty (20) minutes (Ref. 7).

From  the similarities in description from the Castano and G. families, it might be  assumed that they were viewing the smaller objects during a foray inland. The  Castanos saw four objects, the G's a single one. We might speculate that the  five small obJects associated with the main cloud-mass had spilt up into two  groups, while the parent object or "cloud cigar" hovered high over  the Pacific.

While  all this activity was going on, SKYNET was making frantic efforts to obtain  additional witnesses and documentation. The only SKYNET member residing near  the coast, Jim Griebel, was contacted. His home was three miles north of the  Long Beach          witnesses.  Through binoculars he could see a cloud-like  conglomeration low on the southerly horizon. Whether composed of one or two masses  he was not sure, but the mass(es) seemed diamond-shaped on one end and rounded  on the other. The bright light from the moon dissipated Griebel's view, but  there seems little doubt that he was seeing the primary cloud-object which was  being viewed from Long Beach.  Including  Griebel, twelve (12) witnesses in all, from four (4) independent groups,  reported the July 9th, 1968 event.

Nothing  about the above cases seemed to click into place at the time of their  occurrence. The 1962 case remained an enigma for thirteen years, shoved back  into the inner recesses of the two witnesses' minds.  That "something" could appear from          almost "nothing" and  retain shapes, position, and activity for over three hours was inexplicable.  The 1968 case, which tasted at least an hour and one-half, was considered a  possible "cloud-cigar."  This  UFO-type is described by Aime Michel in his classic book, Flying Saucers and the Straight-Line Mystery  (Ref. 8).

THE ENIGMA OF 1973: On December 20, 1973, another mystery occurred  over the Pacific Ocean between the mainland and Catalina Island. This sighting  was as bizarre and long-lived as the two which had gone before. Although at  first glance it appeared unassociated with the vaporous masses in the first two  events, further study has convinced this author that all three phenomena have  many factors in common. Therefore, the three cases are being presented together  in order that opinions can
          be sought from other researchers.

About  2:15 a.m. on December 20, 1973 Michael Wagner of Pacific Palisades noticed a yellow  glowing "blob" hovering in the south-southeast at an elevation of  approximately twenty (20) degrees. He called it to the attention of Robert B.  Klinn,          known in UFO circles as a skilled  researcher. Their viewing position was about twenty miles northwest of Long  Beach.

The two witnesses took turns studying the  light through a 16-power Navy spyglass, which they were able to steady on a ledge  at Klinn's residence. As seen through the telescope, the "blob"  resolved into a precise arrangement of round, yellow-gold lights. Though the  entire mass appeared larger than Venus with the naked eye, through the 'scope  the lights encompassed an area of approximately three (3) millimeters. They  were arranged in a vertical column bisecting a horizontal column of equal  length. Additional columns of light appeared and arranged themselves into a  nearly perfect light-studded triangle.  The  witnesses adjusted the telescope, and when Klinn again          looked through it about three  minutes later, the complex of lights had assumed the shape of a huge,  cigar-shaped "machine."   Its  edges were clearcut against the sky. Along its side was a horizontal row of  about five huge, fiery round lights along the          length of the object. These lights  were very much larger and brighter than the ones observed earlier; in fact, the  entire  object had expanded in size at  least twenty times. (See  Figure D).

Figure D

Each  light held tremendous activity within it, "as if looking  inside a boiling steel furnace, and even more  so". Their primary color was yellow, but many other colors were visible in  their teeming mass. As the witnesses watched astounded, the first light  ballooned up "like a critical explosion" and smashed through the  light directly to its right. That one in turn seemed to flare up, as did each  in the entire row, as the first   fireball  traversed the entire row. At the extreme right, the fiery,explosive light  paused and pulsated about twice per second; then the smashing reaction returned  along the row of lights from right to left. The entire trip back and forth took  an estimated          thirteen (13) seconds.

As  this was happening, a fin-shaped appendage with a vertical  row of smaller yellow lights was moving back  and forth along the top of the cigar-shaped object "in a very mechanical  way."  Meantime, the entire object,  which now covered more than one and one-half (I 1/2) centimeters in the  'scope's field of view, was moving slowly westward at an estimated five (5)  degrees per hour.  Toward the end of the sighting,  which lasted about one and one-half hours, the object changed shape once more.  The appendage on top widened, the lights flickered out, and the object became a  darkened cone-shape with a rounded bottom. One faint red light blinked with  regular rhythm on the top. Then the object faded from view at 3:37 a.m. (Ref.  9).

ATTEMPTS AT CORRELATION: The July 1968 manifestation at least seemed  to fit into a recognized UFO class, that of the so-called cloud cigar, widely  assumed to be a conglomerate of smaller discs, alternate names being  "carrier craft" or "mother ship." But the 1962 and 1973  sightings cannot so easily be categorized.   Both of these objects changed shape, grew larger and more complex, and  demonstrated intense internal activity reminiscent of electrical discharges of  high intensity. Is it possible that the 1962 sighting, and the 1973 sighting as  well, were incidents of "materialization" into our space-time?

In  trying to determine with witness Bob Klinn the possibility that what he had  seen was related in some way with the 1962   and 1968 objects, Klinn pointed out that there was no cloud or vapor  associated with it. He felt that the 1973 object was a metallic structure and  that he was viewing the clashing spheres through "holes" of some kind  in its side.

To  the author's mind, however, in order for the 1973 witnesses to view the  activity within in its entirety, the side of the object might have been transparent  or otherwise open to view.  Is it  possible that the object was not metallic, but some sort of solid, though  transparent, material? Could they have been viewing a similar type of cigar-shaped  solid structure which had been surrounded by thick haze during the summer  sightings of 1962 and 1968?

SUGGESTIONS FOR FURTHER STUDY: The purpose of this paper has been  to alert researchers to the fact of recurring, long-lived phenomena in the  Catalina Channel area. It would be of much value to UFO research if this region  could be placed under surveillance with scientific instrumentation.

This  paper would not be complete unless it was pointed out that the Channel area has  for the past thirty years abounded in UFO reports of all types. Many  surface-type and underwater UFOs have been reported, but compared to the  long-lasting "cloud cigars" they have been unclear and short-lived.  Nevertheless, the sightings exist in sufficient numbers to alert us that this  area is, for some reason, of constant concern to someone, or something,  unknown.

Space  does not permit here to discuss these surface sightings in detail.  Suffice it to say that they are reportedly continuing  up to the present.  They could most  probably be perceived by the same type of surveillance net used to detect the high-altitude  "cloud cigars."  It is  important to reiterate five points concerning the latter type:

Consider  the value to UFO research if, within the next few years, one of these  long-lived UFO phenomena can be detected and studied.  Consider, too, the possible spinoff from a  surveillance system— the detection of frequent UFO surface phenomena in the same  area.

REFERENCES

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          (1)  "Reconnaissance Airborne Magnetometer  Survey of Southern California," (map) I960, by R. W. Bromery, K. 0. Emery,  and J. R. Balsey, Jr.  Published by Dept.  of the Interior, U.S. Survey, Washington, D.C.— Geophysical Investigations Map  GP-211.

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          (2)  "Seismic Activity and Oceanography of  the Sea Floor Off Southern California," by Clements, Thomas and Emery,  K.O. 1947, Seismology Soc. America Bull. V. 37, No. 1, pp. 307-13

Also:  "Seismic Studies of the Pacific Ocean  Floor Off California," by Raitt, R. W., 1950, Geophysics, V. 15, No. 1, p. 156

Also"  "General Geology of the Offshore Area,  Southern California," by Emery, K. 0., 1954, California Div. Mines Bull. 170, pp. l07-11

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          (3)  "Introduction," accompanying Map  described in Reference #1.

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          (4)  Documentation in private files  (Druffel).  Full report to be sent soon  to MUFON and CUFOS.
   
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          (5)  "SKYNET:   Making Sense from Confusion," by Druffel, SKYLOOK,
          December 1973,  No. 73

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          (6)  In private files (Paul Wilson), copy in  Druffel files with identifying information.

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          (7)  In private files (Druffel).  Full report to be sent soon to MUFON and CUFOS

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          (8)  Flying  Saucers and the Straight-Line Mystery, by Aime Michel, Criterion Books, New  York 1958

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          (9)  "The Continuing UFO," column by Robert  B. Klinn and David Branch, in Santa Ana  Register, Santa Ana, California December 26, 1973.  [Newspaper now named The Orange County Register.]

           Also "Object Changes," SKYLOOK, February 1973, and in private files  (Druffel) and (Klinn)

BIO/RESUME [1976]:
Ann Druffel is an Associate Editor of the MUFON UFO JOURNAL and writes  a monthly column, "California Report," for that publication.  She received her B.A. in Sociology at  Immaculate Heart College in Hollywood, California and acquired one years'  graduate credit toward a M.A.in Social Case Work at the Catholic University,  Washington, D.C. She is a licensed R.S.W. (Registered Social Worker) in the State  of  California and worked for five years in  Family and Child Welfare case work before marriage.  Ann and her husband, Charles K. Druffel, are  the proud parents of five daughters. Her professional skills of interviewing,  recording, and  objective value-judging  were transferred to UFO research and free-lance writing on various earth  mysteries, especially in the fields of Ufology and psychic research. Her more  recent works include THE TUJUNGA CANYON CONTACTS, co-authored with  parapsychologist D. Scott Rogo.  Her  forthcoming book, THE DETECTIVE AND THE PSYCHIC, is authored with renowned  psychic Armand Marcotte.

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British MoD Forced to Release More UFO Documents in 2015: The Alleged “Last Remaining Files” Were Declassified Last Year...

By Robert Hastings
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     On September 23, 2014, a newspaper story in the UK revealed that the British Ministry of Defence would be releasing 18 more UFO documents next year. This action was precipitated by the filing of a Freedom of Information request by British researcher Andy Russell, one month earlier, in which he asked:

“Whether documents covering the period 1971-76 and 1996-2000 titled ‘UFO policy’ and three other documents covering the periods June-Dec 2000, Dec 2000-Mar 2004 and March 2004 exist, and if so are they still ‘classified’.”

A search turned up the hitherto unacknowledged files, thereby contradicting the MoD’s earlier claim that all of its UFO files had been released to the public.

In June 2013, after it had been announced that the final “tranche” or batch of UFO files had just been declassified, I wrote an article saying that the MoD was almost certainly withholding additional, very sensitive, UFO-related documents. My piece featured comments by former MoD UFO Desk administrator Nick Pope, who agreed with my contention. He wrote:

Careful scrutiny of the released material shows plenty of documents have been redacted or withheld in entirety. And that's not including several of the more interesting files, documents, films and photographs that the MoD claims have been ‘inadvertently destroyed’ or ‘lost’.

In government, access to classified information is a product of your security clearance and your 'need to know'. Thus, in a sense, you can never say for sure whether you're privy to all the information on any particular topic, because even if you're the ‘Subject Matter Expert’, there may not just be specific things to which you're denied access, but areas the existence of which you're not even aware. Think of this in terms of ‘unknown unknowns’. So while I had a Top Secret SCI security clearance for much of my MoD career and certainly believe I saw all the UFO files, I can't be certain: ‘I don't know what I don't know’ is another way that those of us who have dealt with highly-classified material sometimes characterize this situation.

Regarding British UFO debunker Dr. David Clarke—who has slavishly repeated every MoD claim about the supposed lack of credible information on UFOs in its hands, and endorsed those claims as the final word on the subject—Pope said this:

Having done as a government job what he did as a hobby, I can confirm that larke has never worked for the MoD or held a security clearance. MoD redacts the files before sending them to the National Archives, so he's only ever seen the same unclassified material as any other member of the public.

One MoD document referred to him as a ‘UFO spotter’—a disparaging term used to describe somebody with a nerdish and slightly obsessive attitude to the subject...Some people would probably use the term ‘useful idiot’ to describe his parroting the MoD ‘no defense significance’ sound bite, which was designed solely to keep Parliament, the media and the public off our backs.

Pope’s last comment about Clarke received a lot of attention. Regarding the disparaging epithet, one reference website says, “In political jargon, ‘useful idiot’ is a term for people perceived as propagandists for a cause whose goals they are not fully aware of, and who are used cynically by the leaders of the cause.”¹
However, the far more interesting and significant comment by Pope was his revelation about the MoD’s underlying motivation for its claim that UFOs posed no threat to the UK.

Regarding the newly-acknowledged documents, Pope recently said, “This is a huge embarrassment for the MoD and will have UFO enthusiasts up in arms...The 18 files include ones from RAF radar specialists and from the ultra-secretive Defence Intelligence Staff, so there may be some fascinating revelations still to come."²

Having investigated the December 1980 UFO incidents at RAF Bentwaters at great length, I can confidently assert that two members of the MoD’s Air Staff Secretariat DS8 were present for some of the secret debriefings of U.S. Air Force personnel, relating to the sightings there.
Even though those individuals did not conduct the interrogations, and were merely observers, where are the MoD’s records summarizing what occurred during those witness interviews? Certainly there was nothing about them in the files released thus far.

My own Bentwaters research has focused on the events at the base’s Weapons Storage Area (WSA), during the early hours of December 28, 1980, when a UFO reportedly directed one or more laser-like beams into the bunker complex. At the time, the WSA was America’s largest tactical nuclear weapons depot in Europe, according to my former/retired U.S. Air Force sources.

Then-Lt. Col. Charles Halt, the Deputy Base Commander at the time, has described seeing the UFO and the mysterious beams in the distance—as he was investigating unexplained lights in nearby Rendlesham Forest—while at the same time hearing radio chatter from Air Force Security Police posted at the WSA, who were excitedly reporting the unknown object in the sky and one or more beams apparently falling among the weapons bunkers.


Surely the British Ministry of Defence would be interested in such an event. If so, where are its documents discussing it? Col. Halt first publicly admitted his knowledge of the incident in an Unsolved Mysteries television show that aired in 1991. In other words, the MoD had to have known about the UFO activity at the very sensitive WSA at least as early as that date—if not earlier. Wouldn’t one or more of MoD’s intelligence groups have mentioned Halt’s dramatic public admission in writing? If so, why didn’t those files end up being declassified?

I also have reliable sources who have discussed relatively recent UFO incursions at the Royal Navy’s Faslane base, in Scotland, where the UK’s Trident nuclear missile-carrying submarines are based.
If my civilian sources, who live nearby, know about these events, presumably the MoD does as well. At least, hopefully it does. Where are the documents relating to the sightings at the base? They were not among those released thus far, even though the reported incidents occurred in 2011.

In summary, the British Ministry of Defence has apparently not been entirely candid with the citizens of the UK or, at least, was very sloppy in its earlier searches for UFO-related files. The newly-discovered documents strongly suggest that other still-unacknowledged batches of files exist. Hopefully this development will result in a renewed effort on the part of British researchers to press for a truly comprehensive declassification of the entire cache of MoD files.

Anyone wishing to review a few of the nuclear weapons-related UFO documents released by the U.S. government should go to my documents page.

On September 27, 2010, I sponsored the UFOs and Nukes press conference in
Washington D.C., at which seven U.S. Air Force veterans discussed their involvement in, or knowledge of, classified incidents involving UFO activity at American nuclear weapons sites. CNN streamed the event live and the full-length video may be viewed here:

References:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
2. http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/401228/EXCLUSIVE-British-Ministry-Defence-18-more-UFO-files-available
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   See Also:
   MoD Discovers 18 New UFO Files (Pt 1)
   British MoD Still With-Holding Secret UFO Documents
   Additional UFO ‘X Files’ Uncovered in UK
   Secret UFO Documents Still Being Withheld by British MOD
   British MoD Releases UFO X - Files