The Chesapeake Connection: A Conversation with Bob Oechsler.
Bob's contributions during the early 1990s were unparalleled in many respects, not the least of which was his infamous recorded telephone conversation with former Director of the NSA and Deputy Director CIA, retired Admiral Bobby Ray Inman. It is our belief that much of the work that Bob did at that time remains equally important today .
In his first interview for over 15 years Bob talks about his interactions with Admiral Inman, his involvement with the Fund for UFO research (FUFOR) and MUFON, his extensive investigation of the Gulf Breeze sightings, and unusual happenings in and around the Chesapeake bay. He also explains the sociological implications of Extraterrestrial interaction, his pioneering work exposing a covert program of social indoctrination, and much more.
Download and listen to the complete recording of our first conversation with Bob Oechsler here:
Bob Oechsler Part 1
(Duration: 02:25:31 Size: 66 MB)
This first interview barely 'scratched the surface' of the information that we hope to cover with Bob, so look out for Part two: The Cosmic Journey coming in the very near future. In the meantime we invite our readers to join the discussion at:
Open Minds Forum: Bob Oechsler Discussion Thread
We are attempting to acquire a digital copy of the complete recorded conversation with Bob Oechsler and Admiral Inman and will hopefully include this alongside our second interview with Bob. For reference purposes and to act as an accompaniment to this interview, we include a transcript below.
The complete transcript of Bob Oechsler's conversation with Admiral Inman:
Oechsler: Yes, Thank you very much for returning my call.
Inman: You're most welcome.
Oechsler: Do you remember who I am?
Inman: Unfortunately I do not, I apologize.
Oechsler: OK, well we met at the University of Science, University of Maryland Science and Technology ...
Inman: I do pull out, now, thank you.
Oechsler: I wanted to, for one thing, on behalf of myself I was looking for some guidance that I hoped you might be able to afford me ...
Inman: OK.
Oechsler: ... in giving me some kind of direction in how I can assist in this project. I've been spending a great deal of time researching the phenomenon and technologically I think I might have some very interesting things to offer ...
Inman: Uh huh.
Oechsler: ... Probably not nearly as much as it was, what you probably already know. But I certainly would like to get some guidance in a number of different areas. It's probably a situation where I would like to at some point get together with you, and get an overview of what direction I might take in which I might be able to help in. On behalf of Admiral Lord Hill-Norton and Mr. Good, the best I can do there is I have no idea what the level of security crossing countries happens to be. And I really don't want to get too much involved in that end of it, I'll leave that to your discretion.
Inman: What is Peter Hill-Norton doing now?
Oechsler: What is he doing right now?
Inman: Yeah.
Oechsler: As far as I know he is working in the background of things. He has worked extensively with Timothy Good in a publication he has put out, Above Top Secret, which you may or may not be aware of, out by William Morrow out of New York.
Inman: I am not, aware of it.
Oechsler: OK, in any case he is working, they are more or less working together, Timothy Good as a consultant. Admiral Lord Hill-Norton is, as the way he's expressed it to me, quite furious with his inability to gain knowledge on the issues.
Inman: (Muffled acknowledgement)
Oechsler: And he in fact sent Timothy Good here on a tour hoping to find out more information. There was a conference in Las Vegas at the end of June (and) the first couple days of July, where he had hoped to pick up some contact information. And I had suggested to him that the only individual I knew that possibly would be able to help him, if it was indeed possible to gain any information across country boundaries would be through you. And I suggested that that contact be made.
Inman: What is the general area of interest?
Oechsler: Two things, one, it's my feeling from my research that there is a dichotomy of sorts, one in which there seems to be an indoctrination program to educate the public to the realities that are involved here. The other must be a problem relating to security measures and the need to know level. I have the ability to control the influence and understanding and acceptability of a great, great mass of the public. I have a nation-wide radio broadcast, regular radio broadcast on the
subject matter. I'm well written amongst all of the publications. I am connected with all the major organizations. I've investigated, I spent 18 months investigating, including field investigations involving the Gulf Breeze situation. I know all the internals on that. And I have focused a great deal on the technological end of the technologies, and I've studied a great deal of the things that have been going wrong along in the Chesapeake Bay, in connection with the Electromagnetic Continuity Analysis Center and with the EMP projects.
Inman: All of those are areas in which I am vastly out of date. When I made the decision to retire seven years ago, I made a conscious decision to sever ongoing ties with the U.S. Intelligence Community. I have had some exposure on limited occassions, to some areas of activity over the succeeding seven years when I did the Embassy Security Survey as a consultant to the Defense Science Board. But overwhelmingly my efforts in these seven years have been focused on industrial competitiveness ...
Oechsler: Right.
Inman: ... on the application of science and technology in the commercial world.
Oechsler: I am aware of that.
Inman: So for many of the things, at least as I sort of infer from the conversation of the interest of Mr. Good and Peter Hill-Norton, they are areas where while I had some expertise, it's now, you know, seven years old.
Oechsler: I see.
Inman: And the pace at which things move in that field, the odds of my being accurate are increasingly remote, in understanding those things.
Oechsler: Is it your understanding that there is a cultural dialogue going on, (long pause) today?
Inman: Well I guess I'd have to ask with whom? Between what parties?
Oechsler: Well, between any of the parties that presumably are behind the technology in the crafts.
Inman: I honestly don't know. Have no exposure at all. So I haven't a clue whether there are any ongoing dialogues or not. I'm trying to think who there in the Washington area that is at least much closer to the issues, that might be able to at least give you some guidance.
Oechsler: That's what I am looking for. I'm not looking to step on any toes. I think I have some things to offer and I would like to participate. And to be frank with you, you are essentially the only one I would feel safe in getting guidance from at this point ...
Inman: Uh huh.
Oechsler: ... Based on the more I know, ..."
Inman: Yeah
Oechsler:... the more concerned I become with how I should handle what I know.
Inman: The Deputy Director for Science and Technology at CIA is named Everett Hineman. He is in fact getting ready to retire in the very near future. That may make him somewhatmore willing to have dialogues than he otherwise would have had. When I knew him in the period seven to ten years ago, he was a person of very substantial integrity and just good common sense. So as a place to start he would clearly be high on the list. In the retired community of those who nonetheless were exposed to the intelligence business and stayed reasonably close to it, there is a retired Rear Admiral, a former director of Naval Intelligence, named Sumner Shapiro, who has been a Vice President of BDM. I think he just retired.
Oechsler: VDM?
Inman: BDM. It's a corporation there in the McLean area. His level of competence again is very high, his integrity is very high. Whether he has any knowledge in the areas you are working on I don't have a clue, because I don't have any ongoing dialogue with him. But those are at least two thoughts for you that are there in the area where you are located. And who have a prospect of still having some currency. I don't know that they do. In my case I don't have any.
Oechsler: Do you anticipate that any of the recovered vehicles would ever become available for technological research? Outside of the military circles.
Inman: Again, I honestly don't know. Ten years ago the answer would have been no. Whether as time has evolved they are beginning to become more open on it there's a possibility. Again, Mr. Hineman probably would be the best person to put that kind of question to.
Oechsler: OK.
Inman: Well good luck to you.
Oechsler: OK, and also Louis Cabot has become quite interested in ...
Inman: Good.
Oechsler:... some of my findings, so you may hear from him.
Inman: OK, he's a good man.
Oechsler: OK.
Inman: Thank you.
Oechsler: Very good, thank you for calling.
Inman: Bye.
Oechsler: Bye-bye.
Source: Bob Oechsler.
