In what can be considered an unusual convergence of conspiracy theories, a man who runs a Bigfoot videos YouTube channel was chasing chemtrails when he claimed to have recorded a UFO chasing them as well. If you’re playing Conspiracy Scrabble, ‘Chemtrail’, ‘Bigfoot’ and ‘UFO’ is a triple-word score. However, if your game is Skeptic Chutes and Ladders, the spinner is pointing at a slide. And if your rolling the dice in Glenn Beckgammon … is there really a Glenn Beckgammon and where can you get one (asking for a friend)?

“I got him. He’s spraying. Look at that, you guys, this is what they’re doing to us.”

According to his commentary during the video (you can watch it here), Marc Abell –the CEO of Colorado Bigfoot, a provider of Bigfoot videos – was recording a plane making a contrail over a snow-covered terrain in Vail, Colorado, and believed the color and shape changes in the contrail were signs that the plane was actually spraying something rather than just trailing the usual water vapor and jet exhaust. To the untrained or disbelieving eye, it looks like just another contrail. However, there’s no mistaking that a white object suddenly appears in the video near the contrail.

“What is that it’s following it? You guys, that is too crazy, what is that?”

“You guys” is future listeners to his commentary on YouTube. Abell decides to abandon following the plane (he later expresses a bit of skepticism himself about the alleged ‘chemtrail’ because the contrail quickly dissipated) and ‘follows’ the UFO. ‘Follows’ is difficult to discern, since the white object is too high above the horizon to see whether it’s moving or hovering when he zooms out. Abell watched until he couldn’t see it anymore, but he anticipated what you’re thinking and claims he returned the following day to the same spot at the same time.

This is the kind of sky that gets chemtrail believers worried

“There are no stars in the sky – there’s no way that was a star.”

‘No way’ is pretty strong, but at least he considered it. A satellite – which could explain why it wasn’t there the following night – is another possibility. OK, but what else could it have been? Abell gives one answer.

“The silver discs do that.”

That’s a flying disc or saucer reference. If this really was an alien or secret military aircraft, it appeared from the video to move under the vapor trail, making it much smaller than the plane. While some commenters speculated it was something analyzing or ‘cleaning up’ the contrail (like in a similar sighting in 2016 where a UFO seems to pass through a hole in the trail), this one doesn’t seem to come near enough to it. ‘Bird’ and ‘lens flare’ are some of the other usual culprits suggested by commenters. Needless to say, there’s no agreement on any one explanation.

It certainly sounds from his commentary that Marc Abell is concerned about ‘chemtrails’. From his other videos, it looks like he’s pretty serious about tracking Bigfoot as well. While it would have improved his score in Conspiracy Scrabble, he didn’t try to link Bigfoot to his Chemtrail/UFO sighting. However, he’s definitely the kind of person you want scanning the skies and the woods for unusual stuff – observant, quick with the camera, steady of hand and willing to consider alternatives.

Marc Abell is also willing to attach his name to his observations of controversial conspiracy theories … something that’s becoming increasingly rare in this world. Whether you agree with them or not, that gives him some bonus points and an extra spin in Skeptic Chutes and Ladders.

Now, to hunt for a Glenn Beckgammon game … for a friend.

It seems that in the world of the paranormal and of UFOs there are certain years that for whatever reason seem to harbor waves of utterly strange accounts. I have covered this sort of phenomenon here with the year 1965 and its spate of very bizarre sightings, but all over the world there have been those years that just seem to be magnets for the odd. In 1968 there were various spikes of UFO activity all over the world, and one place where this was definitely felt was the nation of Canada. In this year there was a nearly unprecedented spike and intense increase in reports of strange things in the sky and what seems to have been their humanoid occupants. Here are some of the strangest of a very strange year.

Much of the year of weirdness emerged in spring of 1968, and in April of that year we have a report from UFO BC that originates from West Vancouver, British Columbia, where two witnesses were sitting in a car at Whytecliff Park waiting for a friend. They allegedly were snapped out of their lazy daydreaming by a bright white light that slowly moved towards the edge of the nearby wood, where it disappeared behind some trees. Immediately after this, the forest disgorged a “small glowing humanoid,” which moved about with very quick, precise movements, and was so bright that it was impossible to make out any clothing or facial features. The strange little being then looked at them and went back into the woods, after which the bright light they had originally seen lifted up into the air over the tree line and sped off.

That same month, a report from the CASUFO files tells of a witness in Chicoutimi, Quebec by the name of Mrs. Tremblay. She claims that she had been walking on her way to a restaurant when she saw hovering in the sky a strange object with a beam shooting down to the ground beneath it. According to the witness, the beam of light then trained on her, and she squeezed her eyes closed in the sudden, blinding brightness, only to open them and find that the object was gone and nowhere to be seen. The dazed woman then decided to head home, where she says she saw a small humanoid being with dark blue eyes and dressed in an odd-looking seamless white overall loitering around her home. According to the witness, as soon as the tiny man realized he had been seen he vanished into thin air right before her eyes. Apparently other humanoids dressed in similar clothing would be seen in the area over the next few months.

In summer of that year we have quite a few otherworldly encounters. In Sarnia, Ontario, there was a 10-year-old girl who looked outside her house one June evening to see a glowing humanoid with a bald head and no facial features sitting at the bench near their garage. She would claim that when it stood up it was around 6 feet tall, and that when the frightened girl called for her father it disappeared. That same month, two witnesses referred to as Mrs. B. L. and Mrs. A. B. were walking along near a parking lot in Laval-des-Rapides, Quebec, when they saw some strange object eclipse the full moon in the sky. As they peered at this strange anomaly they could make out two smallish humanoid beings floating through the air towards them, and as they got closer it could be seen that they had black skin and were dressed in tight fitting one-piece outfits. The two odd creatures descended to just a few feet over the ground, upon which one of them allegedly produced “a pitchfork” and began poking the ground with it before the two women fled the scene in fear.

In July of 1968 the oddness continued, starting with an odd report from July 2, when a woman in Alexis de Montcalm, Quebec, saw a procession of 20 tiny green men with pointed noses and mushroom-shaped hats file by her home at night. That very same day, two constables in St. Thomas, Quebec, spotted two little weird humanoids with bulbous, over-sized heads that stood only 2 feet tall each. The beings apparently ran through a drainage ditch and the officers gave chase, only to vanish into thin air as the police closed in. Quebec seems to have actually been a hotspot of such encounters at the time, because on July 26 two boys riding their bicycles near the airport at Riviere Du Loup claimed they had seen two short, three-foot tall gray skinned humanoids run out from out behind a hangar to disappear into the brush. Just 2 days later, on July 28, five young witnesses in St. Stanislas De Kostka, Quebec, saw two UFOs with red halos land not far away, and when they went to investigate they say they encountered a humanoid that stood 4-feet tall and had a large head, no discernible neck, large round eyes, a flat nose, and brown skin that was “wrinkled, scabby, with bumps.” They claimed that when they shone their flashlight on it the weird creature reeled and backed away to a barn, but would later knock on the window of the house while making “a mooing sound like a cow” before disappearing into the night and flying off in one of the UFOs.

That same month found other similarly baffling reports from other areas of Canada as well, and in some instances the witnesses even claimed to have been abducted. One such account comes from a woman who says she was teleported from her Ontario home to the yard, where she saw a large glowing disc descend to produce three humanoid “aliens” that allegedly dragged her into their ship. She says that she was put on a floating bed and operated on, with them cutting open her brain in an attempt to put a “tracking device” in her head and then healing the wound with the wave of an inscrutable device. It is unclear what the creatures looked like as the report, first published in Michael D. Swords’ Grassroots UFOs, doesn’t provide a proper description.

That summer brought more weirdness on into August, with one quite bizarre report on UFO BC and coming from Vancouver, British Columbia. The witnesses are described as being a group of young boys who were out playing with BB guns at the Shaugnessy Golf course when they spied a metallic object about the size of a small car that looked like a “flying saucer” sitting there upon the grass. The curious kids approached it to and rapped on its surface, then one of them began to walk around it, and as he did he saw standing there a pale blue humanoid with a white jumpsuit and red sash tied around its waist. The strange report reads as follows:

The witness said, “My name is Kim” and put his right hand on his heart. The creature responded by holding his palms upward and made a sound, but he didn’t seem to “have a tongue”. At one point he put out his right arm and nodded for the witness to do the same thing with his left, and he was allowed to compare his hand with the alien’s and except for the pallor they were very similar. At this point he heard a voice in his head that spoke the words, “Would you like to pray”? And he bowed and put his arms pointing down with palms towards the witness. He was a bit embarrassed and to get a laugh from his friends who were literally “stunned” he made a gesture towards this BB gun in his right pocket. The alien seemed to sense this and the witness had to apologize for this and explained that it was only a bb-gun and was not real, the alien seemed to understand. The witness said a few more things and then waved at the alien and the alien waved back. The witness then rejoined his friends and they left the area.

Also in August we get back to Quebec and its high strangeness, where in Montreal three men named Guy Gagne, Jean-Guy Girouard, and Carol Marquis were on their way back home from a fair when they saw a 3-foot tall creature that looked similar to a monkey but with a disproportionately large head walking along with what appeared to be great difficulty. The otherworldly being made its way to a streetlamp and then purportedly suddenly nimbly leapt a full 30 feet to the other side of the street before disappearing. Later on that month, on August 28, a group of schoolchildren in Coleraine, also in Quebec, saw a strange being lurking about a cemetery over the course of 4 days. The strange looking creature was described as looking like a 4-foot tall man with a bald head, a bushy black beard, and rough, scaly skin like a lizard’s that was red in color. On the fourth day the bizarre being then apparently boarded a blue, white and red “flying saucer,” that shot up into the sky trailing a plume of thick smoke, which was seen by several adults who the children had called to investigate.

More Quebec humanoid madness would follow in September, where we have a string of such reports from the region. On September 14, three young girls in Drummondville saw a tiny, dwarf-like man in an overcoat and hat walking about with movements like those of a robot, who apparently had a look of terror on his face when he realized the kids had seen him. The curious little man then supposedly vanished into thin air. The next day, the same witnesses saw the same humanoid being step out of a circle of red light, this time wearing a dark blue jumpsuit, after which it did its strange robot walk behind a tree and disappeared, apparently leaving odd footprints behind. On September 21, two different girls saw what they called “a Martian” on the roof of their school in Coaticook , Quebec, which they said had “a green face with no nose, mouth or hair” and which emitted sparks when it moved. Later that week, on the 28th, a family in Asbestos, Quebec, saw a green rectangle in the sky that discharged a yellow orange disc from which several humanoid occupants were said to exit and float around before getting back into the craft and speeding off. A similar object was seen by several other witnesses in the area as well.

These are just a sampling of some of the dozens of reports of bizarre humanoid and UFO encounters that came pouring in during the year of 1968 all over Canada, and in particular Quebec. Why should there be such a high concentration of sightings during this one year? Were any of these cases related to each other, and what were these entities? Were they aliens or interdimensional interlopers, and if so, what did they want and why in 1968? It is all rather baffling to say the least, and leaves one wondering just what was going on here in this weird year of utter strangeness.

As I have written two articles in the last couple of days on the connections between UFOs and computer-systems (and, primarily, on the subject of computer-hacking), I thought I would go ahead and turn it all into a 3-part article. Collectively, it serves to demonstrate the strange nature of this very controversial aspect of the UFO subject. My first article of this “trio” was on the controversial matter of Gary McKinnon and his most unwise hacking of NASA in the early 2000s. The second feature was on the equally weird affair of alleged alien autopsies, NBC, Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, and, of course, hacking. As for this third and final article on this topic, it will focus on other aspects of the UFO-computer subject, but not ignoring the hacking issue. We will begin with an account from the late UFO researcher Leonard Stringfield, who died in 1994. His research primarily revolved around the “crashed UFO” angle. We’re talking about the Roswell controversy of 1947 and similar alleged incidents. In the summer of 1978 Stringfield was able to speak with a U.S. Army source that Stringfield referred to only as “J.K.,” Stringfield’s informant revealed a great deal about crashed UFOs, dead aliens, and autopsies of extraterrestrials. And, there was more, too.

Among the many revelations was this one from J.K.: “Since 1948, secret information concerning UFO activity involving the U.S. military has been contained in a computer center at Wright-Patterson AFB. At this base, a master computer file is maintained with duplicate support backup files secreted at other military installations. Get the complete ‘dump file,’ both the master and the support backup files and you’ve got all the hidden UFO data.” Interesting, but the fact that the data came from an anonymous source didn’t help much at all when the story was published by Stringfield in January 1980 – in the pages of his 38-pages-long booklet, The UFO Crash/Retrieval Syndrome. Moving on…

In my November 2018 book Top Secret Alien Abduction Files I revealed the many and varied ways and means by which Whitley Strieber (of Communion fame) had clearly been placed under surveillance by one or more agencies of the U.S. government and the intelligence community. In terms of the computer-based angle to all of this, it begins as follows: it was in late 1993 that Strieber found himself the recipient of an email that contained data revealing the alleged coded locations of Top Secret UFO-themed material on U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) computer systems. Strieber explained what happened next: “Spooks started prowling around my neighborhood upstate. A business associate was accosted on an airplane by a group of young men who flashed badges, claimed to be with the National Security Agency, and questioned him about our activities for a couple of hours. They alleged that they were responsible for investigating intrusions into the Defense Department’s secure computer systems.” Now, onto yet another case of computers.

Back in 1991, Kevin Randle’s and Don Schmitt’s book, UFO Crash at Roswell, was published. In the book, the pair told an interesting but brief story of a man  “who said he worked at NORAD in Colorado Springs.” Schmitt and Randle added: “In the course of computerizing some of the files, he came across one labeled: USAAF (United States Army Air Force) Early Automation. The file dealt with the recovery of several small bodies and included black and white photographs of them. The man said the bodies were small, no more than four or five feet tall, with big heads.”

Perhaps the strangest, relevant story of all – one of a definitively surreal nature – was one that I addressed some time ago (July 15, 2015), here at Mysterious Universe. You can find the story at this link and which is focused on a man named Matthew Williams. He is a UFO researcher and Crop Circle-maker whose computer was confiscated by the U.K. government’s National Cyber Crime Unit for controversial reasons. It’s a very weird story – one that is absolutely filled to the brim with tales of strange formations found in corn-fields, of a well-known computer-hacker, and of much, much more. What all of this demonstrates – along with the material that is included in the two, previous articles on UFOs and hacking – is that the matter of government computer systems, UFOs, the military, government agencies, and hackers (and their hacking) goes far deeper than most people realize.

My previous article – on Gary McKinnon and his disastrous attempts, in the early 2000s, to try and find the U.S. government’s UFO secrets by hacking NASA – demonstrated one thing, more than any other. Namely, that such activity provokes massive media coverage. It was big news in both the United States and the U.K. There was similar such media coverage (chiefly in the U.K., though) when a Welshman named Matthew Bevan did something near-identical in the 1990s. Just like McKinnon, Bevan ended up in big trouble. In 1997, Bevan found himself arrested and in court. Luckily for Bevan – and just as was the case with Gary McKinnon, too – he walked free when the court-case collapsed. Although these two examples of “Hacking for UFOs” are without doubt the most well-known ones, they certainly are not the only ones. In many respects, the example I’m going to share with you today is even more intriguing than that of Bevan and McKinnon combined.

The story goes back to 1992 – and to the popular TV show Dateline NBC. Specifically, it goes back to October 27 of that year. That was when NBC ran a segment of its show with the eye-catching title of “Are Your Secrets Safe?” It was a good, solid piece that demonstrated the very real, growing threat that computer-hacking posed. To get its point across, the show’s producers secured interviews with a number of hackers. It’s no surprise at all that their identities were not revealed to NBC’s viewers. After all, they were breaking the law.  Although “Are Your Secrets Safe?” was not intended to fly the flag of Ufology, in a very strange and highly controversial fashion, it did exactly that. Of the various hackers that NBC spoke with, one of them revealed that he had illegally accessed certain computerized files held at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio. Where those files might be now is just about anyone’s guess. As a reader of Mysterious Universe, you will know all too well that Wright-Patterson AFB has a long and deep connection to the UFO phenomenon.

During the show, and to provide the viewers with intriguing visuals, a highly notable image appeared on the screen. The section that was discernible read as follows: “WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB/Cataloged UFO parts list, an underground facility of Foreign...” It’s possible that the words which came after “Foreign” were “Technology Division.” The reason being that the USAF’s Foreign Technology Division (FTD) had its home at Wright-Patterson for many years. In 1992, however, the FTD was renamed and revamped as the Foreign Aerospace Science and Technology Center (FASTC). Given the time-frame in which NBC ran the show (twenty-seven years ago), and the age of the documentation that the hacker had obtained, the missing words almost certainly referenced either the FTD or the FASTC. The now-defunct newsstand magazine, UFO, said in its Volume 9, No. 3 issue that data concerning alien autopsies at Wright-Pat was in the hands of the same hacker that NBC had on the show.

The producer of the “Are Your Secrets Safe?” portion of the October 27, 1992 Dateline episode was Susan Adams. In the wake of the broadcast, she said that NBC was surprised by the large response from viewers. Adams expanded more: it was revealed that the hacker’s name could not be revealed, primarily because he had – technically speaking – committed a felony. Adams did say this, however: “The hacker is aware of the interest his apparent UFO data has provoked, but does not wish to respond.” Adams also said that the production had been carefully addressed “with a fine-tooth comb” by NBC’s attorneys.

This was a big – and amazing – story that was told on a hugely popular show on NBC. Yet, aside from the initial flood of interest, it was soon forgotten. Unlike the cases involving Matthew Bevan and Gary McKinnon, there was no attempt by U.S. authorities to hunt the hacker down and have him/them arrested. In fact, the whole thing faded away. Of course, to a significant degree this is understandable: 1992 was before The X-Files had been broadcast. No one had even heard of Mulder and Scully. And TV shows like UFO Hunters and Ancient Aliens wouldn’t surface for years and years. In other words, the interest that much of the public and even the mainstream media has in “the unexplained” today, didn’t exist back then.

Who was that hacker? How had he got his hands on what were seemingly highly-classified files on UFOs held at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base? What did those files state? Why did the authorities not follow-up on all this, as they did with Bevan and McKinnon? Close to three decades after this strange-but-largely-forgotten story surfaced, it’s likely we’ll never know.

Remember Harry Reid? The former US senator from Nevada and Senate Majority Leader from 2015 – 2017 is best known in some circles for his support of UFO research and full disclosure while in office, including securing secret funding for the secret study known as ATTIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program). After retiring due to a pancreatic cancer diagnosis, Reid has continued to fight both against the cancer and for the UFO cause and to clear up misinformation that has been distributed by the government about ATTIP and UFOs. He recently sat down for an exclusive interview with George Knapp, the acclaimed journalist and UFO investigator. Here are some of the highlights.

“I don’t understand what we’re seeing around the world with all these unidentified flying objects, and I want to be able to have an intelligent conversation in this regard.”

Reid is longing for the days when he was a government insider, authorizing the black budgets for ATTIP and its predecessor AAWSAP (Aerospace Weapons System Application Program). While ATTIP officially ended in 2012, there are many who believe it secretly still exists – Reid is one of them. ATTIP members ended up in Tom DeLong’s To The Stars Academy for Arts and Sciences and were responsible for the release of the Navy UFO footage in 2017. Apparently, Reid doesn’t (or can’t) talk to them intelligently about it and no one on the inside in Congress has Reid’s guts to go public.

Harry Reid

“Well, let them say something about it. I’m tired of all this, they’re getting briefings and all that. Let them step up to the plate like I did and do something publicly.”

It’s not that easy, as Reid should remember. He couldn’t get any info on what alleged UFO materials some corporations may have had in their possession. Then again, Reid himself isn’t that forthcoming with information these days either, as Knapp found out when he questioned the former senator about UFO discussions during his recent visit with Bill and Hillary Clinton. The former president expressed an interest in UFO disclosure while in office and the former presidential candidate promise she would do it if elected. Reid told Knapp that they promised to give him more dirt on their next visit – not exactly a risky promise to make to someone who’s 79 and being treated for pancreatic cancer.

“Nope, nope, but he, I didn’t want to push him, but he was very interested.”

Reid was also evasive with Knapp about a UFO conversation he had with the late astronaut and former senator John Glenn. Unfortunately, it seems all that’s available to talk to is what Reid refers to as “a fringe group of people out there who want to control this. The so-called conspiratorial folks.”

“They don’t want anybody that’s based on facts involved in this. So what do they do? They go online and try to belittle Elizondo and me and anybody else that is trying to do it in a scientific way. Elizondo is a man with a great record serving our country and people should leave him alone. And one thing about him, he’s not backing off and I appreciate that very much.”

Luis Elizondo headed ATTIP and is currently Director of Global Security and Special Programs at To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science. Reid describes him as a fighter for the UFO disclosure cause and he’s encouraged by the mainstream media coverage he gets. He’s also encouraged by the willingness of the Navy to received and review UFO reports from its pilots without fear of punishment.

It would have been nice if Reid had shared more of what he knows with George Knapp, especially with his pancreatic cancer diagnosis. Fortunately, it’s in remission so he can continue to fight for UFO disclosure despite the “fringe group” and “conspiratorial folks.” Let’s hope his next conversation with George or some non-conspiratorial folks tells us more.

Mothman—or at least something Mothman-esque—has been a strangely constant presence in the states around Lake Michigan since he first reappeared in Chicago in 2017. Less a typical “flap” with one extreme burst of sightings, the modern Mothman reports have slowly and steadily trickled in. This past October (a perfect time for spotting Mothman), there were two sightings of a large winged humanoid in Rosemont, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago.

The first sighting took place on October 5, 2019, near Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport.  The anonymous witness reported the sighting to Lon Strickler at Phantoms and Monsters. The witness initially contacted MUFON but declined to follow through with the MUFON investigator after becoming concerned that their anonymity would not be respected. The witness likely works as an Uber driver or for a similar company and was parked outside O’Hare when they saw the creature. From their account:

The encounter was so brief, but I also got a pretty good look at the creature. I was parked by the light pole. It allows me to park a little more off the road. I was fumbling around with some charging cables that lead to the backseat of the car, for my passengers to use while in the car. I had my passenger side windows down to give my A/C a break.

It was then that I saw movement and looked up to see the creature emerging out of the trees. It was large and about six to seven feet tall. It was human-like in appearance, but almost solid black. [There] were no real features on this thing, just solid black. It swiveled its head around, looking and scanning and that is where I saw the glowing red eyes. The rest of the body was thin, I remember making note that it looked like a thin person and it was sort of hunched over, because its arms were down to about it’s knees. The wings were about as wide [as] it was tall, so about six to seven feet in width and looked like the wings of a bat. When it walked it kind of had a weird sort of a waddle, not so much like a penguin but like the kind of stride that a large bird (like an Emu) would have.

Mothman is probably the spookiest dude on the planet.

The witness continued to state that there were other drivers around so someone else had to have seen it too. The witness says the creature flew off to the south and left behind a strong smell of ammonia.

The second report comes courtesy of Manuel Navarette of UFO Clearinghouse, who received a report from a man who saw the creature while he was attending a wedding at the Edward Hotel in Rosemont, Illinois on October 19, 2019. The Edward Hotel is approximately three miles north of the O’Hare Airport. The man says he stepped outside for a cigarette and was walking through the parking lot when he heard a scream that sounded like a woman’s voice. He turned on his phone’s flashlight and began looking around the area. Then he says the creature flew directly over his head. From his report:

This thing was at least six feet tall and was solid black with large wings, it looked like a giant-sized bat flew over the top of me. It was all black and kind of stuck out against the lights of the parking lot and the lights from around the area including the gas station across the street. Three other people saw it as well, including a couple who were walking across the parking lot as I heard them exclaiming about it. It flew toward the expressway and the BP gas station, this whole time it was screeching loud and flapping its wings hard like it was trying to gain height. When I lost sight of it, it was about the height of the billboard across the street still shrieking away.

Now I know I had been drinking during the wedding and was a little buzzed when I walked outside, but I was as sober as a judge after seeing this thing. It was unnatural and was pretty much the scariest thing I ever did see, but I know for a fact that I saw it and those other people saw it.

I mean, this one looks more like a Crowman, but that’s just as spooky.

The witness says he did not notice any red eyes or other distinguishing features. He also stresses that while he had been drinking he was not impaired in any way. Although, that’s usually what people say.

The second report sounds like it could be a misidentification of a large bird or something else of that nature, but in context with the first report and the string of Mothman sightings throughout this area since 2017, it becomes a bit more interesting. At this point, real or not, Mothman has permeated the collective unconscious enough that we’ll likely be hearing reports of this thing for a very long time to come.